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Why do we have to call it Domestic Terrorism?


EL PASO, Texas (AP) — A gunman armed with a rifle opened fire in an El Paso shopping area packed with as many as 3,000 people during the busy back-to-school season, leaving 20 dead and more than two dozen injured, police said.

Hours later, another shooting in Dayton, Ohio, claimed nine lives . That gunman was killed by police.

Authorities were investigating whether Saturday's El Paso attack was a hate crime after the emergence of a racist, anti-immigrant screed that was posted online shortly beforehand. Detectives sought to determine if it was written by the man who was arrested. The border city has figured prominently in the immigration debate and is home to 680,000 people, most of them Latino.

Federal authorities were treating the attack as a domestic terrorism case, according to the U.S. attorney.

Despite initial reports of possible multiple gunmen, the man in custody was believed to be the only shooter, police said.

Why label it something else, why create new terms that seem to reflect badly on the rest of us, the country.  Just shoot the assailant, and shoot to kill if he or she has taken another’s life.....no lengthy legal process, explanations, apologies, years in jail, pardons, appeals, speedy trial in the name of justice, simply justice.

What goes around, comes around.
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Re:A Crime is a Crime......

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Maybe for the same reason, 'hate crime' and 'hate speech' were invented out of thin air?  Or even legislation pertaining to firearms at all?  


It's illegal to initiate coercion or violence against another.  The tool someone might use during the crime is irrelevant, in my opinion.  Dead is dead, injured is injured regardless of whether the tool is a bat, a shovel, a knife or a gun.


This endless complication of the law is merely to feed lawyers.

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Re:A Crime is a Crime......

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Lawyers shouldn’t be blamed for what legislators do in order to impress upon the public that they are doing something and should remain in public office serving them......while actually serving themselves generous portions of taxpayer dollars and benefits, enjoying a deference typically reserved for royalty. It’s impossible to see them as Americans, so far removed are they from what the country believes from our Declaration of Independence and people approved Constitution. Unfortunately, we want to believe.....their lies, misinformation, and disinformation......after all, we elected them.
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If you look into legislators, you'll find most of them are lawyers.  For that reason, I believe, legislation and regulation is crafted in the most obtuse language possible so that lawyers across the nation can receive endless billing hours for interpretation and litigation.
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Attorneys have one of the few occupations that allow them to leave for a term in public office and return unharmed by the absence. After them, it’s the filthy rich......guess who they represent. Poor candidates, of necessity become puppets for the filthy rich who don’t like publicity. So far, it’s still trying and difficult to buy an election, which suggests the people are simply fortunate or have sensory wisdom beyond the imaginings of manipulators. People seem well aware of the lesser of two evils from which they must choose, but not a clue about how to change it. Obviously they need to participate earlier, research better, and campaign more effectively than those with power, money, and no matter what it takes evil.
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What percent of Congress are lawyers?
While 0.6 percent of the U.S. adult population are lawyers, 41 percent of the 113th Congress are. Members of Congress are sixty-eight times as likely as all American adults to have practiced law.

In the 113th Congress, for example, nearly a fifth of the 435 House members and 100 senators worked in education, either as teachers, professors, school counselors, administrators or coaches, according to the Roll Call and Congressional Research data.


Make of it what you will.

It's a puzzle to me how most of these people get elected.  As a whole, I would be equally likely to invite a congressman or senator into my home as I would an inmate from my prison.

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Lawyers are the only thing standing between citizens and tyranny.


Cheer up....there’s a decline of lawyers in politics:


While lawyers are still a huge part of American politics today, their influence has faded somewhat. By the 1960s, lawyers held fewer than 60 percent of Congressional seats. In 2015, fewer than 40 percent of Congressional members were lawyers.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/01/19/how-the-most-disliked-and-elected-profession-is-disappearing-from-politics/



What goes around, comes around.
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You may recall that some of the most heinous laws on the books were crafted and enacted by lawyers.  All weapons are dangerous both to the opponant and the wielder.


So, yeah, I'll have to disagree on the initial statement.  Between the infinite generation of new laws by legislators and the virtually unrestricted and unsupervised regulations by lawyers embedded within bureaucracies, there is no other destination than absolute dictatorship of the stalin/mao/pot sort.


Alas for us all that this time around, the totalitarian federal government will have tools stalin and orwell never dreamed of in their wildest of imaginings.


There is no other destination when each and every year, thousands of new laws and regulations are created... and virtually none removed, no matter how ridiculous, outrageous, destructive and/or unjust.

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Actually, many laws have been removed. I think it was Truman who said there’s no quicker way to get rid of a bad law than to enforce it. So, at some point “alienation of affection” left the books. Sodomy is virtually gone or not enforced. Every President has a program kill list identifying those that have proven ineffective, but the inattentive public doesn’t provide the triggering mechanism. You can’t just set up the government and expect it to run smoothly, elect the right person to office for a change and expect them to handle all the snakes while citizens are at home watching favorite shows on tv. Quit blaming lawyers who require citizens with a vested interest in the case, in order to even appear before the court. The self-inflicted misery of “I want.....” gets that stuff on the books.....lawyers don’t make that stuff up, it’s the self interest of a sufficient number of citizens. Lawyers just write the effective language of what is wanted at that persuasive point in time. Not my husband......he fired clients who didn’t follow his advice.
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"Many" laws and regulations have been removed.  "Many", of course, is quite vague.


May I suggest that for every law or regulation removed, 10,000 have been created and remain in force.


Need it be said that the 10,000 figure is optimistic?  It would not surprise me in the least to learn the figure is closer to 100,000.

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