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So, the democrats tried throughout the last election to convince the votes that republicans are waging a 'war on women'... whatever that might be. Apparently because republicans tend to loathe abortion (something that kills an awful lot of future women), those mean ol' republicans must be waging war on women. I'm not sure of the logic behind that but there it is.

Meanwhile, across the pond there is a real 'war' on women and they're having a sale. If you want a woman of your own, islam has some pretty reasonable prices:

In response, the group determined specific prices for women and children, while “vowing to execute whoever violates those controls.” This is the worth of a human life, according to ISIS:

A woman, 40 to 50-years-old: 50,000 dinars. ($42.90)
A woman, 30 to 40-years-old: 75,000 dinars. ($64.35)
A woman, 20 to 30-years-old: 100,000 dinars. ($85.80)
A girl, 10 to 20-years-old: 150,000 dinars. ($128.70)
A child, 1 to 9-years-old: 200,000 dinars. ($171.60)

New York Post, Daily Mail, RT, International Business Times, Opposing Views and Christianity Today are among the few outlets to report on the story.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/katie-yoder/2014/11/07/isis-sets-prices-female-slaves-media-whine-about-us-war-women-0

I'm not actually a conservative but I find it noteworthy that the rags that have chosen to air this atrocity are mainly conservative rags.

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How much do you reckon it would it cost to eradicate ISIS were we to just buy all of their under 50 females? Hell, print up a few billion, buy three generations worth of breed stock, and extinct their asses in a mere 20-40 years.
That's GOT to be cheaper than the war machine.

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 I've never understood Washington's Arabian fetish.  We send them $, weapons and we serve ourselves up as scapegoat for all their lunacy.

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It isn't just abortion but birth control, it can also be anything from wages, to work place discrimination, to aid for single mothers. None of that which always can be labled republican/conservative either. Sometimes it's a 'man thing' and sometimes it a 'religious thing' and I certainly wouldn't put the whole group of republicans as "waging a war on women." Waging a war on minorities is common  but certainly I would never compare myself to what the women in the ME suffer.

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Wouldn't get too comfortable with the idea that what the women in the ME suffer isn't close to what women in America experience.  Did you see the guy shoot his wife on camera! while she was being interviewed by a journalist about his abuse?
It's generally accepted that an abusive man in America will abuse a woman until he eventually kills her. 
Have you noticed the increase in domestic violence, abusive males since women started thinking of themselves as equals?  
How about the women who join the military?   Raped.....because he can...when he holds her career in his fitness reports.  Yeah, the military is dealing with it, sure, under the carpet, ride it out till the next news cycle has the public forget.. 

Besides  the reality of our current circumstances, what sounds impossible for women in America to ever have to endure is mapped out quite simply by the Canadian author, Margaret Atwood:

The Handmaid's Tale is set in the near future in the Republic of Gilead, a theocratic military dictatorship formed 
within the borders of what was formerly the United States of America.
 
Beginning with a staged terrorist attack (blamed on Islamic extremist terrorists) that kills the President and 
most of Congress, a movement calling itself the "Sons of Jacob" launches a revolution and suspends the United 
States Constitution under the pretext of restoring order. They are quickly able to take away all of women's 
rights, largely attributed to financial records being stored electronically and labelled by gender. The new regime 
moves quickly to consolidate its power and reorganize society along a new militarized, hierarchical, compulsorily 
Christian regime of Old Testament-inspired social and religious ultra-conservatism among its newly created social 
classes. In this society, almost all women are forbidden to read.

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The Handmaid's Tale is a dystopian novel, a work of science fiction or speculative fiction,[1] written by Canadian 
author Margaret Atwood[2][3] and first published by McClelland and Stewart in 1985. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Handmaid's_Tale


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It's a pretty darned creepy read.  The movie was not all it should have been.

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You can't help but notice the increase in domestic violence, murder or stranger rape/murder of females. We don't do enough to protect the vulnerable in this country, including children and old people but still we do not stone them, commit FGM or condone rape and murder as some ME countries and those who turn the blind eye.

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Wouldn't get too comfortable with the idea that what the women in the ME suffer isn't close to what women in America experience.  Did you see the guy shoot his wife on camera! while she was being interviewed by a journalist about his abuse?
It's generally accepted that an abusive man in America will abuse a woman until he eventually kills her. 
Have you noticed the increase in domestic violence, abusive males since women started thinking of themselves as equals?  
How about the women who join the military?   Raped.....because he can...when he holds her career in his fitness reports.  Yeah, the military is dealing with it, sure, under the carpet, ride it out till the next news cycle has the public forget..

I'm a little agog that you would think such things, Nickel.  Shocked, actually.
I can only point out that violence (including rape) is illegal.  Shooting people is illegal.  Slavery (a form of violence) is illegal.  All illegal regardless of the race, sex, or orientation of the victim.  What's more, victims or anyone fearing they are about to be assaulted, are legally allowed to defend themselves up to and including the use of lethal force.

None of those things are true in most islamic states... at least as they pertain to women.  Rather, they are encoded into the law.  Indeed, only a few days ago, a woman was hanged over in the barbarian lands for the crime of killing her rapist.

While law in the US has been slowly degrading from it's true purpose (protecting individuals) to evil (persecuting individuals), the US will not decompose into anything like that in "The Handmaids tale" because such is far outside what we collectively think of as 'normal' that no one would tolerate it.
Of course, 50 years ago, who would have tolerated being molested at airports for the crime of having bought passage on an airliner?
The world of the Handmaids tale exists now in islamic states but you've perhaps have noticed that most westerners (outside academic and media circles, anyway) loathe islam and the tortures and murders it inflicts upon women and children.

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Let's not exaggerate the perverts at TSA anymore than you would any pervert at any institution whether govt. or private. Ask a women what she looks for in a public loo or department store changing room or when you send your kids off to priests, teachers, coaches, relatives, friends, acquaintances who actually have the highest record of molestation.

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Let's not exaggerate the perverts at TSA anymore than you would any pervert at any institution whether govt. or private. Ask a women what she looks for in a public loo or department store changing room or when you send your kids off to priests, teachers, coaches, relatives, friends, acquaintances who actually have the highest record of molestation.
Again... rape is illegal.
Perhaps you are confused about the nature of law?  Law does not prevent bad things from happening, it is to punish those who do bad things... at least that is the noble side of law.

I don't understand it when people try to equate the western world with the islamic world.  It's like suggesting a friendly massage is the same as being beaten with a stick.  It makes no sense.

TSA aren't perverts.  Well, most of them aren't.  They are, however, a perversion of the law.

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"Again, rape is illegal," I think already mentioned that opinion in a previous post. It's nice to see you admit, "most TSA are not perverts." I have been to Islamic countries and I certainly would not "equate" them with the western world. I still stand that this country however does not do enough to protect the vulernable, I can't think of any country that does.

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Rule of Thumb.......an expression still in common usage.....In colonial America it was the size of the cane a man could use to legally beat his wife.

Laws change.

Women have not always had the vote, or inheritance rights.

I used to think the older generations would pass and the idea of women as property would pass with them, but young men...God only knows where they come from....are, in fact, still regarding women as property.....it's shocking!  

My only comfort is that women have the numbers to keep the laws in place.

A woman President would be nice.  A majority, or equal numbers in Congress would be reassuring.

How many women graduate from College compared to men?  Not that college guarantees anything, but it doesn't hurt.

Book learning is ridiculed......shocker that it happens but understandable coming from those who struggle with learning.

I love men, much rather be in their company than with women.  Few women can engage in conversation or debate beyond home, husband, and children.  All good topics for a while, but the whining and complaining...... Like most women, I didn't have time for anything beyond the family and frankly we don't get much respect for all that unpaid servitude.  Also like most women, I became politically active in my 50's cause it is about then that we have time to look around and say, What the HELL have you been doing with my country while I was busy raising a family?  See, we remember it from elementary, junior, and high school, and some fortunate few remember it from college.    This is not the country we were taught.  In fact, all the bad things we thought were history, are actually going on all around us.  A jaw dropping experience it was for me to attend my first council meeting.....I mean I checked the flag because it sounded more like Russia, or Germany than America to me.

When I was in college, Female professors usually gave me A's on my essays.  Male professors gave me B's.  I noticed. Lucky for me that my husband agreed to read my essays before I turned them in to male professors......he strengthened the language choices, and debated some of the ideas with me, but that was not helpful. LOL   Anyway, women use weaker words, try not to offend, and add a question after a strong statement, right?  LOL  Reading someone who is playing it safe is annoying.   Anyway I got straight A's that semester and was asked to join Phi Kappa Phi....quite the honor....Not quite as much fun as being asked to be a cheerleader when I had two boys in school, or being carded when I was 30 with my husband and another couple, but they put out a good mind challenging magazine  for members. 

So, I wish that I were confident that women in the Middle East can overcome their opppressors, as we have at a different level or degree overcome ours...., but I am not.  Worse, like women in Iraq and Iran, Turkey who were educated and yet were suppressed beaten into submission in the streets ...I fear the pendulum could swing the other way.

Have you seen The Stoning of Soraya M. based on a true story?

It's what we don't know is going on that can hurt us!

Funny, I sense that I've gone dark and you've gone light with this topic, Alaskaone

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I believe women college graduates surpassed men several years ago and for several years were tied. That should be even more irritating that women do not hold more power jobs. I love both men and women. My friends and I over the years kept the baby, home, husband to a minimum. My 'group also included single unattached men and women and if at an event the homey chit chat got out of hand there were still other groups to converse with.

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Good grief at the both of you.
Colonial times:  over 400 years ago.  Modern times, there are no laws persecuting women here.  None.  Not one.
Yet neither of you seem able to grasp the difference between the western world and the islamic world.
Really, I cannot fathom the reluctance to condemn the treatment of women and children by islamic countries.

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There are acute differences between the worlds, I'm not denying that. There is one thing you can't do although I'm not sure maybe you do give it a go............walk in the shoes of a female. Now would I rather be a female in the western world or the eastern world, that is a no brainer and would you expect less, after all I am a liberal female and have been 'independent' for many decades, in other words I don't put up with any bullshit. I would not fit in well at all in a Muslim country with a Muslim husband(I'd probably get stoned to death,) a visit is nice though but as a tourist.

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I don't understand why you are so reluctant to admit that domestic abuse/murder is a serious problem in this country, I find that unusual. We not only should debate their issues but ours as well, usually that isn't a problem for you! It really shouldn't have to be a look who is grosser.

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"Yet neither of you seem able to grasp the difference between the western world and the islamic world.
Really, I cannot fathom the reluctance to condemn the treatment of women and children by islamic countries."
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Pay attention!  I condemn the Islamic world's treatment of women and children, of course I do!  

However, laws require compliance.  Granted, most of our people, the western world if you will, comply with the law of the land..  Winning the hearts and minds of people---the Muslim strategy---can change the laws.  I'd like to see the Islamic world's treatment of women and children going to Hell, but unfortunately, I see it coming this way and finding favor with men frustrated by wives with minds of their own.  

I used to write one liners on the board for students to give them a place to start freewriting.  When I wrote "She was so courageous ."  I had two girls ask if they could change it to He.  Pressed to think about it, they just couldn't regard a single woman in that way.  Not knowing their lives, maybe it was true.  

Having joined the U.S. Marine Corps, before even graduating from high school, I was well aware of many courageous women.  Men, however, called us BAMS, broad assed marines.  My own brother wrote me the only letter of his life to talk me out of joining because in his experience women in the military were either lesbians or whores.  He broke my heart.  He of all the family I thought knew me better than that.  Wow, I remember feeling so alone in the world at that point.

So, I'm not comfortable that women will stay strong or that men will generally hold women, even those they love, in high regard.  Knowledge is power and women are still told not to worry their pretty little heads about events.  I'm fairly confident that's happening all over the world.  I suppose those with access to the internet may worry their pretty little heads, but the flame war bitches--in other groups, are discouraging.  LOL

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Pay attention!  I condemn the Islamic world's treatment of women and children, of course I do!
Thank goodness for that!  

However, laws require compliance.  Granted, most of our people, the western world if you will, comply with the law of the land.. 
Ah, but there is something else here, too.  We tend to ignore bad laws and through jury nullification are even willing to refuse to apply them.
Winning the hearts and minds of people---the Muslim strategy---can change the laws.  I'd like to see the Islamic world's treatment of women and children going to Hell, but unfortunately, I see it coming this way and finding favor with men frustrated by wives with minds of their own.
Here I must disagree.  Even if islam were contagious in the way a virus is contagious, it would not matter.  We are not free to abuse people merely because we do not like them.  If you desire proof of this, look at the 'gay marriage' circus or, for a more extreme example; our toleration of NAMBLA, skinheads and other odious groups.
It required a thousand years and endless wars to make islam what it is today.

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I don't understand why you are so reluctant to admit that domestic abuse/murder is a serious problem in this country, I find that unusual. We not only should debate their issues but ours as well, usually that isn't a problem for you! It really shouldn't have to be a look who is grosser.

#1)  I have no problem with discussing violence in America.
#2)  Violence against anyone here is illegal, except in self defense.
Near as I can tell, in islamic states, violence against women and children is required by law, violence against gays and lesbians is required.  And resisting violence, if you are a woman or queer, illegal.  If you cannot fathom the difference between protection by law and persecution by law, if you really wish to persist with the lunatic claim that we do the same shit they do..?   All I can ask is, 'what is wrong with you?' 

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Why are you asking what is wrong with me? I am familiar with their laws and ours, I don't know how much clearer I can be other than hell would freeze over before I'd live in an Islamic run country.

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Men don't remember and women can's forget?

Every time I ever cared to comment on the abuse of women by men, my husband would cite the abuse of men by women.  Numbers of each....oh, his favorite the "preponderance" usually had him mumble something undescernible and change the subject.  At least you haven't done that alaskaone.

Paternalistic systems of religion:  in other words, all religions, have a tendency to diminish women.  Government is still a manly endeavor for a women in this country.  While other countries have female Prime Ministers, or the equivalent of our President, our country has never raised a women of that caliber.  Now, why is that?  What's the point of being placed on a pedestal.....as some men claim, unless it is designed to keep them in their place?  

One cultural exception I can think of is that Native American women had equal status:  A family negotiated the strengths and weaknesses of its individuals not their genders.  Lost almost totally under the influence of European settlers, remnants remain in the high count of Tribal Court Judges who are women, some appointed for life, to the bench.

Where women are making progress, it seems more token than powerful.  Maybe that's okay with men and its better than other women have it, but......wouldn't exactly say women are in charge openly so much as subversively in that other humorous woman behind the man tip of the hat, the married up, kind of comment politicians make to win the women's vote.  If we don't like our position in life, other women are as responsible as men for it.

I would call some men, discuss my position, and they would respond to my husband.  He might alter it somewhat because he didn't agree with me, and then they'd be upset that I didn't follow what they had wrung out of him.  My response was that I am the one on the council, and they should have known me better before voting for me, if that was part of their attack.  I supported the wild salmon and the road project that made the federal bridge over the Snake River make more sense.  It wasn't exactly a bridge to nowhere, leading to downtown as it did, but the road up the canyon opened about half the city to new development that the downtown merchants and residents did not want.

A rose by any other chauvinistic name.........., you stand by the law while you anticipate the collapse of our country....hmmmn   All men are created equal....we're taught that the term men means mankind and includes women,  but it doesn't and women should be added or people should replace the word men.

NOT going to happen anytime soon.   
So its not as bad here as in the Middle East, but being better isn't the same as good, either.

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One cultural exception I can think of is that Native American women had equal status:  A family negotiated the strengths and weaknesses of its individuals not their genders.  Lost almost totally under the influence of European settlers, remnants remain in the high count of Tribal Court Judges who are women, some appointed for life, to the bench.
Making out that native americans were some sort of utopia of saints on earth... yeah, not real accurate.  Not pre-colonization and not post.  There are a few societies on Earth today that are controlled outright by women... one in China comes to mind.    But with women, as native americans, pretending they're saints is a huge mistake, too.

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That isn't the point. It hasn't been a matter of women's control it has been a matter of civil rights and the  vulnerability of women by laws and the court system that goes unrecognized in this country. It isn't a matter of the ME women have it worse, we don't live in the ME but a western civilization and we expect our laws to work for us not against us and to often they don't and we don't expect "our" men to tell us how much better we are off than being in the ME, that is shyte, we expect you to have our backs.

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I can be counted upon to defend and support people regardless of race,sex or orientation when it comes to human rights.  I am merely puzzled by the reluctance of gay,lesbian and feminist groups to even acknowledge, let alone speak about crimes against women in the Middle East.  Instead, it always goes exactly as it has in this thread... condemnation of the west and America in particular.  Bizarre.  

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Get real, what do you think women all over the world thinks about the conditions of women in the ME? Appalling, shocking, disgusting. If I could I would change their laws, castrate every man who thought about stoning, or committing FGM and rip every burka off the back of the women. It has been discussed here and many times. I do sign petitions, I keep educated, I have donated money and I have written emails to certain ME govts.

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 Yet... this thread.

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I've expressed myself quite clearly and you are just being difficult/argumentative.

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 Of course, that must be it.

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 shut up alaska, just accept that women in the the u.s. have it just as bad as 3rd world women because some people don't want to pay for abortions and birth control for other people. 

Any attempt to speak about islamic law and it's neanderthal treatment of women should be immediately brought back to how awful men in the u.s. are since we are the same if not worse!  

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 shut up alaska, just accept that women in the the u.s. have it just as bad as 3rd world women because some people don't want to pay for abortions and birth control for other people. 

Any attempt to speak about islamic law and it's neanderthal treatment of women should be immediately brought back to how awful men in the u.s. are since we are the same if not worse!  

Depends on the man Punk. "Worse" can be relative depending on your situation, although I think it's pretty clear women under Islamic law have no recompense. As I said hell would freeze over before I'd live in an Islamic ruled country, that doesn't dismiss the violence perpetrated on women throughout the world and our vulnerability and fear. I think first you have to realize that women do live in fear from strangers and unfortunately partners and often our court system shows little justice although there are laws.

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 watch the video i posted, the stats on violent assaults in the u.s. is oddly not what anyone would expect.  

also, i was being sarcastic ^^^  :(

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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Date Posted：11/07/2014 11:15 PMCopy HTML So, the democrats tried throughout the last election to convince the votes that republicans are waging a 'war on women'... whatever that might be. Apparently because republicans tend to loathe abortion (something that kills an awful lot of future women), those mean ol' republicans must be waging war on women. I'm not sure of the logic behind that but there it is. Meanwhile, across the pond there is a real 'war' on women and they're having a sale. If you want a woman of your own, islam has some pretty reasonable prices: In response, the group determined specific prices for women and children, while “vowing to execute whoever violates those controls.” This is the worth of a human life, according to ISIS: A woman, 40 to 50-years-old: 50,000 dinars. ($42.90) A woman, 30 to 40-years-old: 75,000 dinars. ($64.35) A woman, 20 to 30-years-old: 100,000 dinars. ($85.80) A girl, 10 to 20-years-old: 150,000 dinars. ($128.70) A child, 1 to 9-years-old: 200,000 dinars. ($171.60) New York Post, Daily Mail, RT, International Business Times, Opposing Views and Christianity Today are among the few outlets to report on the story. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/katie-yoder/2014/11/07/isis-sets-prices-female-slaves-media-whine-about-us-war-women-0 I'm not actually a conservative but I find it noteworthy that the rags that have chosen to air this atrocity are mainly conservative rags. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：Worthy Member Score：377 Posts：305 From：USA Register：01/17/2010 6:27 PM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/07/2014 11:41 PMCopy HTML How much do you reckon it would it cost to eradicate ISIS were we to just buy all of their under 50 females? Hell, print up a few billion, buy three generations worth of breed stock, and extinct their asses in a mere 20-40 years. That's GOT to be cheaper than the war machine.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/08/2014 12:04 AMCopy HTML I've never understood Washington's Arabian fetish. We send them $, weapons and we serve ourselves up as scapegoat for all their lunacy. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：17452 Posts：17428 From：USA Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/08/2014 1:48 AMCopy HTML It isn't just abortion but birth control, it can also be anything from wages, to work place discrimination, to aid for single mothers. None of that which always can be labled republican/conservative either. Sometimes it's a 'man thing' and sometimes it a 'religious thing' and I certainly wouldn't put the whole group of republicans as "waging a war on women." Waging a war on minorities is common but certainly I would never compare myself to what the women in the ME suffer.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/09/2014 8:32 PMCopy HTML Wouldn't get too comfortable with the idea that what the women in the ME suffer isn't close to what women in America experience. Did you see the guy shoot his wife on camera! while she was being interviewed by a journalist about his abuse? It's generally accepted that an abusive man in America will abuse a woman until he eventually kills her. Have you noticed the increase in domestic violence, abusive males since women started thinking of themselves as equals? How about the women who join the military? Raped.....because he can...when he holds her career in his fitness reports. Yeah, the military is dealing with it, sure, under the carpet, ride it out till the next news cycle has the public forget.. Besides the reality of our current circumstances, what sounds impossible for women in America to ever have to endure is mapped out quite simply by the Canadian author, Margaret Atwood: The Handmaid's Tale is set in the near future in the Republic of Gilead, a theocratic military dictatorship formed within the borders of what was formerly the United States of America. Beginning with a staged terrorist attack (blamed on Islamic extremist terrorists) that kills the President and most of Congress, a movement calling itself the "Sons of Jacob" launches a revolution and suspends the United States Constitution under the pretext of restoring order. They are quickly able to take away all of women's rights, largely attributed to financial records being stored electronically and labelled by gender. The new regime moves quickly to consolidate its power and reorganize society along a new militarized, hierarchical, compulsorily Christian regime of Old Testament-inspired social and religious ultra-conservatism among its newly created social classes. In this society, almost all women are forbidden to read. ................ The Handmaid's Tale is a dystopian novel, a work of science fiction or speculative fiction,[1] written by Canadian author Margaret Atwood[2][3] and first published by McClelland and Stewart in 1985. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Handmaid's_Tale ===================================================================== It's a pretty darned creepy read. The movie was not all it should have been. What goes around, comes around.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：17452 Posts：17428 From：USA Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/09/2014 11:10 PMCopy HTML You can't help but notice the increase in domestic violence, murder or stranger rape/murder of females. We don't do enough to protect the vulnerable in this country, including children and old people but still we do not stone them, commit FGM or condone rape and murder as some ME countries and those who turn the blind eye.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/09/2014 11:18 PMCopy HTML Reply to Nickel (11/09/2014 11:32 AM) Wouldn't get too comfortable with the idea that what the women in the ME suffer isn't close to what women in America experience. Did you see the guy shoot his wife on camera! while she was being interviewed by a journalist about his abuse? It's generally accepted that an abusive man in America will abuse a woman until he eventually kills her. Have you noticed the increase in domestic violence, abusive males since women started thinking of themselves as equals? How about the women who join the military? Raped.....because he can...when he holds her career in his fitness reports. Yeah, the military is dealing with it, sure, under the carpet, ride it out till the next news cycle has the public forget.. I'm a little agog that you would think such things, Nickel. Shocked, actually. I can only point out that violence (including rape) is illegal. Shooting people is illegal. Slavery (a form of violence) is illegal. All illegal regardless of the race, sex, or orientation of the victim. What's more, victims or anyone fearing they are about to be assaulted, are legally allowed to defend themselves up to and including the use of lethal force. None of those things are true in most islamic states... at least as they pertain to women. Rather, they are encoded into the law. Indeed, only a few days ago, a woman was hanged over in the barbarian lands for the crime of killing her rapist. While law in the US has been slowly degrading from it's true purpose (protecting individuals) to evil (persecuting individuals), the US will not decompose into anything like that in "The Handmaids tale" because such is far outside what we collectively think of as 'normal' that no one would tolerate it. Of course, 50 years ago, who would have tolerated being molested at airports for the crime of having bought passage on an airliner? The world of the Handmaids tale exists now in islamic states but you've perhaps have noticed that most westerners (outside academic and media circles, anyway) loathe islam and the tortures and murders it inflicts upon women and children. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：17452 Posts：17428 From：USA Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/10/2014 2:10 AMCopy HTML Let's not exaggerate the perverts at TSA anymore than you would any pervert at any institution whether govt. or private. Ask a women what she looks for in a public loo or department store changing room or when you send your kids off to priests, teachers, coaches, relatives, friends, acquaintances who actually have the highest record of molestation.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/10/2014 3:58 PMCopy HTML Reply to katie5445 (11/09/2014 5:10 PM) Let's not exaggerate the perverts at TSA anymore than you would any pervert at any institution whether govt. or private. Ask a women what she looks for in a public loo or department store changing room or when you send your kids off to priests, teachers, coaches, relatives, friends, acquaintances who actually have the highest record of molestation. Again... rape is illegal. Perhaps you are confused about the nature of law? Law does not prevent bad things from happening, it is to punish those who do bad things... at least that is the noble side of law. I don't understand it when people try to equate the western world with the islamic world. It's like suggesting a friendly massage is the same as being beaten with a stick. It makes no sense. TSA aren't perverts. Well, most of them aren't. They are, however, a perversion of the law. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：17452 Posts：17428 From：USA Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/10/2014 5:46 PMCopy HTML "Again, rape is illegal," I think already mentioned that opinion in a previous post. It's nice to see you admit, "most TSA are not perverts." I have been to Islamic countries and I certainly would not "equate" them with the western world. I still stand that this country however does not do enough to protect the vulernable, I can't think of any country that does.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/10/2014 6:52 PMCopy HTML Rule of Thumb.......an expression still in common usage.....In colonial America it was the size of the cane a man could use to legally beat his wife. Laws change. Women have not always had the vote, or inheritance rights. I used to think the older generations would pass and the idea of women as property would pass with them, but young men...God only knows where they come from....are, in fact, still regarding women as property.....it's shocking! My only comfort is that women have the numbers to keep the laws in place. A woman President would be nice. A majority, or equal numbers in Congress would be reassuring. How many women graduate from College compared to men? Not that college guarantees anything, but it doesn't hurt. Book learning is ridiculed......shocker that it happens but understandable coming from those who struggle with learning. I love men, much rather be in their company than with women. Few women can engage in conversation or debate beyond home, husband, and children. All good topics for a while, but the whining and complaining...... Like most women, I didn't have time for anything beyond the family and frankly we don't get much respect for all that unpaid servitude. Also like most women, I became politically active in my 50's cause it is about then that we have time to look around and say, What the HELL have you been doing with my country while I was busy raising a family? See, we remember it from elementary, junior, and high school, and some fortunate few remember it from college. This is not the country we were taught. In fact, all the bad things we thought were history, are actually going on all around us. A jaw dropping experience it was for me to attend my first council meeting.....I mean I checked the flag because it sounded more like Russia, or Germany than America to me. When I was in college, Female professors usually gave me A's on my essays. Male professors gave me B's. I noticed. Lucky for me that my husband agreed to read my essays before I turned them in to male professors......he strengthened the language choices, and debated some of the ideas with me, but that was not helpful. LOL Anyway, women use weaker words, try not to offend, and add a question after a strong statement, right? LOL Reading someone who is playing it safe is annoying. Anyway I got straight A's that semester and was asked to join Phi Kappa Phi....quite the honor....Not quite as much fun as being asked to be a cheerleader when I had two boys in school, or being carded when I was 30 with my husband and another couple, but they put out a good mind challenging magazine for members. So, I wish that I were confident that women in the Middle East can overcome their opppressors, as we have at a different level or degree overcome ours...., but I am not. Worse, like women in Iraq and Iran, Turkey who were educated and yet were suppressed beaten into submission in the streets ...I fear the pendulum could swing the other way. Have you seen The Stoning of Soraya M. based on a true story? It's what we don't know is going on that can hurt us! Funny, I sense that I've gone dark and you've gone light with this topic, Alaskaone What goes around, comes around.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：17452 Posts：17428 From：USA Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/10/2014 8:32 PMCopy HTML I believe women college graduates surpassed men several years ago and for several years were tied. That should be even more irritating that women do not hold more power jobs. I love both men and women. My friends and I over the years kept the baby, home, husband to a minimum. My 'group also included single unattached men and women and if at an event the homey chit chat got out of hand there were still other groups to converse with.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/10/2014 9:16 PMCopy HTML Good grief at the both of you. Colonial times: over 400 years ago. Modern times, there are no laws persecuting women here. None. Not one. Yet neither of you seem able to grasp the difference between the western world and the islamic world. Really, I cannot fathom the reluctance to condemn the treatment of women and children by islamic countries. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：17452 Posts：17428 From：USA Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/11/2014 1:07 AMCopy HTML There are acute differences between the worlds, I'm not denying that. There is one thing you can't do although I'm not sure maybe you do give it a go............walk in the shoes of a female. Now would I rather be a female in the western world or the eastern world, that is a no brainer and would you expect less, after all I am a liberal female and have been 'independent' for many decades, in other words I don't put up with any bullshit. I would not fit in well at all in a Muslim country with a Muslim husband(I'd probably get stoned to death,) a visit is nice though but as a tourist.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：17452 Posts：17428 From：USA Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/11/2014 1:14 AMCopy HTML I don't understand why you are so reluctant to admit that domestic abuse/murder is a serious problem in this country, I find that unusual. We not only should debate their issues but ours as well, usually that isn't a problem for you! It really shouldn't have to be a look who is grosser.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/11/2014 4:29 AMCopy HTML "Yet neither of you seem able to grasp the difference between the western world and the islamic world. Really, I cannot fathom the reluctance to condemn the treatment of women and children by islamic countries." ======================================================== Pay attention! I condemn the Islamic world's treatment of women and children, of course I do! However, laws require compliance. Granted, most of our people, the western world if you will, comply with the law of the land.. Winning the hearts and minds of people---the Muslim strategy---can change the laws. I'd like to see the Islamic world's treatment of women and children going to Hell, but unfortunately, I see it coming this way and finding favor with men frustrated by wives with minds of their own. I used to write one liners on the board for students to give them a place to start freewriting. When I wrote "She was so courageous ." I had two girls ask if they could change it to He. Pressed to think about it, they just couldn't regard a single woman in that way. Not knowing their lives, maybe it was true. Having joined the U.S. Marine Corps, before even graduating from high school, I was well aware of many courageous women. Men, however, called us BAMS, broad assed marines. My own brother wrote me the only letter of his life to talk me out of joining because in his experience women in the military were either lesbians or whores. He broke my heart. He of all the family I thought knew me better than that. Wow, I remember feeling so alone in the world at that point. So, I'm not comfortable that women will stay strong or that men will generally hold women, even those they love, in high regard. Knowledge is power and women are still told not to worry their pretty little heads about events. I'm fairly confident that's happening all over the world. I suppose those with access to the internet may worry their pretty little heads, but the flame war bitches--in other groups, are discouraging. LOL What goes around, comes around.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/11/2014 1:28 PMCopy HTML Reply to Nickel (11/10/2014 7:29 PM) Pay attention! I condemn the Islamic world's treatment of women and children, of course I do! Thank goodness for that! However, laws require compliance. Granted, most of our people, the western world if you will, comply with the law of the land.. Ah, but there is something else here, too. We tend to ignore bad laws and through jury nullification are even willing to refuse to apply them. Winning the hearts and minds of people---the Muslim strategy---can change the laws. I'd like to see the Islamic world's treatment of women and children going to Hell, but unfortunately, I see it coming this way and finding favor with men frustrated by wives with minds of their own. Here I must disagree. Even if islam were contagious in the way a virus is contagious, it would not matter. We are not free to abuse people merely because we do not like them. If you desire proof of this, look at the 'gay marriage' circus or, for a more extreme example; our toleration of NAMBLA, skinheads and other odious groups. It required a thousand years and endless wars to make islam what it is today. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/11/2014 1:35 PMCopy HTML Reply to katie5445 (11/10/2014 4:14 PM) I don't understand why you are so reluctant to admit that domestic abuse/murder is a serious problem in this country, I find that unusual. We not only should debate their issues but ours as well, usually that isn't a problem for you! It really shouldn't have to be a look who is grosser. #1) I have no problem with discussing violence in America. #2) Violence against anyone here is illegal, except in self defense. Near as I can tell, in islamic states, violence against women and children is required by law, violence against gays and lesbians is required. And resisting violence, if you are a woman or queer, illegal. If you cannot fathom the difference between protection by law and persecution by law, if you really wish to persist with the lunatic claim that we do the same shit they do..? All I can ask is, 'what is wrong with you?' Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：17452 Posts：17428 From：USA Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/11/2014 3:12 PMCopy HTML Why are you asking what is wrong with me? I am familiar with their laws and ours, I don't know how much clearer I can be other than hell would freeze over before I'd live in an Islamic run country.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/16/2014 10:22 PMCopy HTML Men don't remember and women can's forget? Every time I ever cared to comment on the abuse of women by men, my husband would cite the abuse of men by women. Numbers of each....oh, his favorite the "preponderance" usually had him mumble something undescernible and change the subject. At least you haven't done that alaskaone. Paternalistic systems of religion: in other words, all religions, have a tendency to diminish women. Government is still a manly endeavor for a women in this country. While other countries have female Prime Ministers, or the equivalent of our President, our country has never raised a women of that caliber. Now, why is that? What's the point of being placed on a pedestal.....as some men claim, unless it is designed to keep them in their place? One cultural exception I can think of is that Native American women had equal status: A family negotiated the strengths and weaknesses of its individuals not their genders. Lost almost totally under the influence of European settlers, remnants remain in the high count of Tribal Court Judges who are women, some appointed for life, to the bench. Where women are making progress, it seems more token than powerful. Maybe that's okay with men and its better than other women have it, but......wouldn't exactly say women are in charge openly so much as subversively in that other humorous woman behind the man tip of the hat, the married up, kind of comment politicians make to win the women's vote. If we don't like our position in life, other women are as responsible as men for it. I would call some men, discuss my position, and they would respond to my husband. He might alter it somewhat because he didn't agree with me, and then they'd be upset that I didn't follow what they had wrung out of him. My response was that I am the one on the council, and they should have known me better before voting for me, if that was part of their attack. I supported the wild salmon and the road project that made the federal bridge over the Snake River make more sense. It wasn't exactly a bridge to nowhere, leading to downtown as it did, but the road up the canyon opened about half the city to new development that the downtown merchants and residents did not want. A rose by any other chauvinistic name.........., you stand by the law while you anticipate the collapse of our country....hmmmn All men are created equal....we're taught that the term men means mankind and includes women, but it doesn't and women should be added or people should replace the word men. NOT going to happen anytime soon. So its not as bad here as in the Middle East, but being better isn't the same as good, either. What goes around, comes around.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/17/2014 12:52 AMCopy HTML One cultural exception I can think of is that Native American women had equal status: A family negotiated the strengths and weaknesses of its individuals not their genders. Lost almost totally under the influence of European settlers, remnants remain in the high count of Tribal Court Judges who are women, some appointed for life, to the bench. Making out that native americans were some sort of utopia of saints on earth... yeah, not real accurate. Not pre-colonization and not post. There are a few societies on Earth today that are controlled outright by women... one in China comes to mind. But with women, as native americans, pretending they're saints is a huge mistake, too. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
katie5445	Share to: #21
Rank：TAE Member Score：17452 Posts：17428 From：USA Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/17/2014 1:09 AMCopy HTML That isn't the point. It hasn't been a matter of women's control it has been a matter of civil rights and the vulnerability of women by laws and the court system that goes unrecognized in this country. It isn't a matter of the ME women have it worse, we don't live in the ME but a western civilization and we expect our laws to work for us not against us and to often they don't and we don't expect "our" men to tell us how much better we are off than being in the ME, that is shyte, we expect you to have our backs.
alaskaone	Share to: #22
Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/17/2014 11:13 PMCopy HTML I can be counted upon to defend and support people regardless of race,sex or orientation when it comes to human rights. I am merely puzzled by the reluctance of gay,lesbian and feminist groups to even acknowledge, let alone speak about crimes against women in the Middle East. Instead, it always goes exactly as it has in this thread... condemnation of the west and America in particular. Bizarre. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
katie5445	Share to: #23
Rank：TAE Member Score：17452 Posts：17428 From：USA Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/18/2014 2:47 AMCopy HTML Get real, what do you think women all over the world thinks about the conditions of women in the ME? Appalling, shocking, disgusting. If I could I would change their laws, castrate every man who thought about stoning, or committing FGM and rip every burka off the back of the women. It has been discussed here and many times. I do sign petitions, I keep educated, I have donated money and I have written emails to certain ME govts.
alaskaone	Share to: #24
Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/18/2014 2:55 AMCopy HTML Yet... this thread. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
katie5445	Share to: #25
Rank：TAE Member Score：17452 Posts：17428 From：USA Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/18/2014 5:34 PMCopy HTML I've expressed myself quite clearly and you are just being difficult/argumentative.
alaskaone	Share to: #26
Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/18/2014 11:11 PMCopy HTML Of course, that must be it. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
Punkoidragon	Share to: #27
Rank：TAE Member Score：7306 Posts：6760 From：USA Register：12/04/2008 1:32 PM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/19/2014 12:15 AMCopy HTML shut up alaska, just accept that women in the the u.s. have it just as bad as 3rd world women because some people don't want to pay for abortions and birth control for other people. Any attempt to speak about islamic law and it's neanderthal treatment of women should be immediately brought back to how awful men in the u.s. are since we are the same if not worse! Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.
Punkoidragon	Share to: #28
Rank：TAE Member Score：7306 Posts：6760 From：USA Register：12/04/2008 1:32 PM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/19/2014 12:17 AMCopy HTML <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/-KgBVedec_0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe> Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.
katie5445	Share to: #29
Rank：TAE Member Score：17452 Posts：17428 From：USA Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/19/2014 12:51 AMCopy HTML Reply to Punkoidragon (11/18/2014 4:15 PM) shut up alaska, just accept that women in the the u.s. have it just as bad as 3rd world women because some people don't want to pay for abortions and birth control for other people. Any attempt to speak about islamic law and it's neanderthal treatment of women should be immediately brought back to how awful men in the u.s. are since we are the same if not worse! Depends on the man Punk. "Worse" can be relative depending on your situation, although I think it's pretty clear women under Islamic law have no recompense. As I said hell would freeze over before I'd live in an Islamic ruled country, that doesn't dismiss the violence perpetrated on women throughout the world and our vulnerability and fear. I think first you have to realize that women do live in fear from strangers and unfortunately partners and often our court system shows little justice although there are laws.
Punkoidragon	Share to: #30
Rank：TAE Member Score：7306 Posts：6760 From：USA Register：12/04/2008 1:32 PM	Re：An actual war upon women Date Posted：11/20/2014 12:12 AMCopy HTML watch the video i posted, the stats on violent assaults in the u.s. is oddly not what anyone would expect. also, i was being sarcastic ^^^ :( Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.