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Date Posted:11/07/2014 11:15 PMCopy HTML

So, the democrats tried throughout the last election to convince the votes that republicans are waging a 'war on women'... whatever that might be.  Apparently because republicans tend to loathe abortion (something that kills an awful lot of future women), those mean ol' republicans must be waging war on women.  I'm not sure of the logic behind that but there it is.

Meanwhile, across the pond there is a real 'war' on women and they're having a sale.  If you want a woman of your own, islam has some pretty reasonable prices: 

In response, the group determined specific prices for women and children, while “vowing to execute whoever violates those controls.” This is the worth of a human life, according to ISIS: 

  • A woman, 40 to 50-years-old: 50,000 dinars. ($42.90)
  • A woman, 30 to 40-years-old: 75,000 dinars. ($64.35)
  • A woman, 20 to 30-years-old: 100,000 dinars. ($85.80)
  • A girl, 10 to 20-years-old: 150,000 dinars. ($128.70)
  • A child, 1 to 9-years-old: 200,000 dinars. ($171.60) 

New York PostDaily MailRTInternational Business TimesOpposing Views and Christianity Today are among the few outlets to report on the story. 

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/katie-yoder/2014/11/07/isis-sets-prices-female-slaves-media-whine-about-us-war-women-0

I'm not actually a conservative but I find it noteworthy that the rags that have chosen to air this atrocity are mainly conservative rags.

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Re:An actual war upon women

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 Will Durant, the famous historian summed it up like this:
"The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex of order and freedom, culture and peace, can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within."
What goes around, comes around.
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Re:An actual war upon women

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Reply to shiftless2 (01/02/2016 3:27 PM)

 No idea what you're trying to say.

Keep on trying - I am sure that you will succeed in the end.
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Re:An actual war upon women

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 Unless you're saying that there is no evidence whatsoever to support the existence of any god you're not making any sense.
[b]"There is not enough love and goodness in the world to permit giving any of it away to imaginary beings."[/b] ~ Friedrich Nietzsche
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 http://www.salon.com/2016/01/03/religious_delusions_are_destroying_us_nothing_more_than_man_made_contrivances_of_domination_and_submission/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

There's no evidence, unless you see the universe and all the cause and effects of human choice, the results as God:  the ever present sum of our history....
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 Proving God is like disproving God - it is about opinion, not fact.
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Re:An actual war upon women

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Reply to WRS10 (01/03/2016 3:30 PM)

 Proving God is like disproving God - it is about opinion, not fact.

Not at all.  The burden of proof lies with the person claiming that god exists.  Not the other way around.  James Randi once stated that it's impossible to prove a negative - see Russell's teapot (google it if you're not familiar with the concept).
The existence of god is not an opinion.  Either he exists or he doesn't exist.  Those are the only two options.  An atheist simply says that he doesn't believe that god exists - nothing to prove there since there is no claim about god's existence.

Fact is, if we were discussing anything except god and religion we'd say that people that were willing to accept something as true without a shred of evidence are gullible.  And gullibility is not a virtue.  So why should religion and god be any different?
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Why do I have to "prove" anything to anybody? I live where I can believe what I want, without proof. I won't force  them on anyone, I don't want beliefs forced on me, I don't want "religion" in govt. and other than that everyone can bugger off regarding my spiritual beliefs.
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 Exactly.  Now tell that to the people that insist that the US is a Christian nation and who want a Christian Theocracy - the ones that claim that the bible trumps the constitution and so forth.
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I do, they don't pay attention to me.
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Re:An actual war upon women

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 Proving God is like disproving God - it is about opinion, not fact.

Not at all.  The burden of proof lies with the person claiming that god exists.  Not the other way around.  James Randi once stated that it's impossible to prove a negative - see Russell's teapot (google it if you're not familiar with the concept).
The existence of god is not an opinion.  Either he exists or he doesn't exist.  Those are the only two options.  An atheist simply says that he doesn't believe that god exists - nothing to prove there since there is no claim about god's existence.

Fact is, if we were discussing anything except god and religion we'd say that people that were willing to accept something as true without a shred of evidence are gullible.  And gullibility is not a virtue.  So why should religion and god be any different?


I have not claimed that God exists.  Those who claim that God exists require the same degree of proof as those who claim that God does not exist from my perspective.  As there is no scientific evidence either way at the moment it is all speculation one way or another from my perspective.
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Re:An actual war upon women

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The burden of proof? Bringing legal terms into believing or not believing in God? You either have faith & believe, or you don't. Nobody has to prove anything to anyone, besides you are not going to convince anyone one way or another on this venue. You get 3 "hars" for that one.


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Re:An actual war upon women

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Reply to WRS10 (01/04/2016 2:30 PM)

I have not claimed that God exists.  Those who claim that God exists require the same degree of proof as those who claim that God does not exist from my perspective.  As there is no scientific evidence either way at the moment it is all speculation one way or another from my perspective.

Only thing is that atheism is not a belief that god does not exist.  It's a lack of belief that god exists - something very different.
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Re:An actual war upon women

Date Posted:01/05/2016 12:33 AMCopy HTML

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I have not claimed that God exists.  Those who claim that God exists require the same degree of proof as those who claim that God does not exist from my perspective.  As there is no scientific evidence either way at the moment it is all speculation one way or another from my perspective.

Only thing is that atheism is not a belief that god does not exist.  It's a lack of belief that god exists - something very different.


Cut the semantics crap. I don't have to prove to you that God exists & you don't have to prove to me he doesn't.


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I think you failed a high school level theory of knowledge course - that's not semantics.
If you can't prove god exists that's fine but I don't have to prove that he doesn't exist because I've never said that.  There is a difference between a gnostic atheist and an agnostic atheist - I'm the latter.
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Re:An actual war upon women

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 Proving God is like disproving God - it is about opinion, not fact.

Not at all.  The burden of proof lies with the person claiming that god exists.  Not the other way around.  James Randi once stated that it's impossible to prove a negative - see Russell's teapot (google it if you're not familiar with the concept).
The existence of god is not an opinion.  Either he exists or he doesn't exist.  Those are the only two options.  An atheist simply says that he doesn't believe that god exists - nothing to prove there since there is no claim about god's existence.

Fact is, if we were discussing anything except god and religion we'd say that people that were willing to accept something as true without a shred of evidence are gullible.  And gullibility is not a virtue.  So why should religion and god be any different?


I have not claimed that God exists.  Those who claim that God exists require the same degree of proof as those who claim that God does not exist from my perspective.  As there is no scientific evidence either way at the moment it is all speculation one way or another from my perspective.

I agree.  I think the more accurate term for those who would accept either premise is agnostic - literally "not knowing".  That is my position.

In my opinion atheists are as fervently religious in their belief that there is no God/god/gods/spirit etc., as believers of various faiths are in their religion.
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Re:An actual war upon women

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Reply to shiftless2 (01/04/2016 9:49 PM)

I think you failed a high school level theory of knowledge course - that's not semantics.
If you can't prove god exists that's fine but I don't have to prove that he doesn't exist because I've never said that.  There is a difference between a gnostic atheist and an agnostic atheist - I'm the latter.


I never failed anything, & I don't have to prove anything to you. Believe or don't what you choose.


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Date Posted:01/06/2016 3:12 PMCopy HTML

 That's fine - but until someone comes up with verifiable proof of the existence of god (any god) my opinion remains unchanged.

All I'll add is that if we were talking about anything except god and religion we'd label someone that accepts something as true with zero proof as gullible.  And gullibility is not a virtue.

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Didn't expect to change your opinion, Shift. Perhaps it will change when you time comes near, perhaps not. There are a lot of "foxhole" believers out there.


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Re:An actual war upon women

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 The dollar value of a woman is all the money a man is willing to spend to be with her.  Laws against prostitution are primarily designed to keep the wealth from dramatically shifting into the hands of women.
It's obscene how much men willingly spend on women.

This is because it takes a mighty fine man to beat having no man at all!

Paternal societies govern by force instead of persuasion, very might over right, and find themselves at war almost continuously like the last century.  Peace doesn't get much press, no one can even remember a maternal society and how much happier they seem, at least in the frescoes of ancient Minoan/Atlantis civilization.

Women aren't ready to run the world the way they do the household.  With about the same skill set, they don't think they're equal to men and tend to count themselves out and count each other out as well.  WEAK for no reason.  SLAVE for no reason.  I don't know what happened....we were so much better in elementary school and then the guys grew taller and stronger in junior high and some switch was thrown by high school that college did little to change.  It's a mystery.



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Re:An actual war upon women

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The dollar value of a woman is all the money a man is willing to spend to be with her. Laws against prostitution are primarily designed to keep the wealth from dramatically shifting into the hands of women. It's obscene how much men willingly spend on women.

You are drifting into what I believe, Nickel.  Women are power which is why social institutions are so often bent on convincing them otherwise.  Women's power even works on other women... check it out.
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This is because it takes a mighty fine man to beat having no man at all!

Fortunately, most men are 'mighty fine'.

Paternal societies govern by force instead of persuasion, very might over right, and find themselves at war almost continuously like the last century.

Violence does tend to cause more violence.

Peace doesn't get much press, no one can even remember a maternal society and how much happier they seem, at least in the frescoes of ancient Minoan/Atlantis civilization.

Well, conflict still exists... but it's called, 'drama'.  While better than a shootin' war, 'drama' can be extremely irritating, even violent.  Women are not saints and in many ways can be as nasty if not nastier than men.

Women aren't ready to run the world the way they do the household. With about the same skill set, they don't think they're equal to men and tend to count themselves out and count each other out as well. WEAK for no reason. SLAVE for no reason.

Foolish women might believe that.  Are women foolish, in general?

I don't know what happened....we were so much better in elementary school and then the guys grew taller and stronger in junior high and some switch was thrown by high school that college did little to change. It's a mystery.

Or, perhaps, misinformation?  A woman can generally get what she wants with a bat of her eyes or wiggle of her hips.  Is that not power?  Brute force is not the only form of dominence.
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Women think they are sitting on a million $.........in some cases they are.


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Re:An actual war upon women

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Didn't expect to change your opinion, Shift. Perhaps it will change when you time comes near, perhaps not. 

Why would it?  I think Stephen Fry summarized my attitude as well as anyone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo

There are a lot of "foxhole" believers out there.

There are a lot of atheists in foxholes as well.  To paraphrase one WWII vet when he was discussing going ashore on D Day:  "I never wished that God was with as hard in my life. And I was never as convinced that he did not exist."



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I have found very few dying patients that if they didn't believe in God they suddenly did on the way out.

Women, bat your eyes, wiggle your hips and get what you want, now wouldn't that be lovely, no heartbreak, no financial problems, no loneliness, no raising kids on your own. Where is this place, I'm sure there are millions of women who would pick up and move. 
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You either have faith & believe, or you don't. 


In other words, you believe something without any reason to do so.  Fortunately there is a cure for that.
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What about the theory "Absence of Evidence," many things cannot be proven.
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I have found very few dying patients that if they didn't believe in God they suddenly did on the way out.

Women, bat your eyes, wiggle your hips and get what you want, now wouldn't that be lovely, no heartbreak, no financial problems, no loneliness, no raising kids on your own. Where is this place, I'm sure there are millions of women who would pick up and move. 


To most dying patients making peace with God is personal & not something they would share with nurse Ratchet, Katie.

Feminism = A movement designed for unattractive women with no discernible skills.


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Now Tommy you know I wasn't a "Nurse Ratched," I wasn't much of a feminist either, they went about it the wrong way. Right motives, wrong way. I also like that fathers are participating more with their children now instead of just being breadwinners. 
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To most dying patients making peace with God is personal & not something they would share with nurse Ratchet, Katie.


Are you really attempting to claim that people do change their minds but just don't tell anyone?  That's as weak a claim as the "no atheists in foxholes" one.
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Re:An actual war upon women

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To most dying patients making peace with God is personal & not something they would share with nurse Ratchet, Katie.


Are you really attempting to claim that people do change their minds but just don't tell anyone?  That's as weak a claim as the "no atheists in foxholes" one.


Now shift, I realize that you fancy yourself much smarter than we dumb, bible clinging, gun toting Cons. However, a further review of my post #108: See "there are a lot of "foxhole" believers. Perhaps you failed a high skool reading comprehension test?


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Re:An actual war upon women

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Katie, I find myself conjuring up what my on line opponents look like. Do you look anything like Louise Fletcher?


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