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So, the democrats tried throughout the last election to convince the votes that republicans are waging a 'war on women'... whatever that might be.  Apparently because republicans tend to loathe abortion (something that kills an awful lot of future women), those mean ol' republicans must be waging war on women.  I'm not sure of the logic behind that but there it is.

Meanwhile, across the pond there is a real 'war' on women and they're having a sale.  If you want a woman of your own, islam has some pretty reasonable prices: 

In response, the group determined specific prices for women and children, while “vowing to execute whoever violates those controls.” This is the worth of a human life, according to ISIS: 

  • A woman, 40 to 50-years-old: 50,000 dinars. ($42.90)
  • A woman, 30 to 40-years-old: 75,000 dinars. ($64.35)
  • A woman, 20 to 30-years-old: 100,000 dinars. ($85.80)
  • A girl, 10 to 20-years-old: 150,000 dinars. ($128.70)
  • A child, 1 to 9-years-old: 200,000 dinars. ($171.60) 

New York PostDaily MailRTInternational Business TimesOpposing Views and Christianity Today are among the few outlets to report on the story. 

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/katie-yoder/2014/11/07/isis-sets-prices-female-slaves-media-whine-about-us-war-women-0

I'm not actually a conservative but I find it noteworthy that the rags that have chosen to air this atrocity are mainly conservative rags.

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Re:An actual war upon women

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And, were we speaking of a book, you would be okay with banning it because 200 people objected?



I can easily find 200 people who would be in favor of banning the Bible.  
Can we start there?
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 BTW, if you want to see a real war on women all you have to do is think "Mike Pence"
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Re:An actual war upon women

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And, were we speaking of a book, you would be okay with banning it because 200 people objected?



I can easily find 200 people who would be in favor of banning the Bible.  
Can we start there?

I appreciate the attempt at snark but without context it falls a bit flat.
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Re:An actual war upon women

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 BTW, if you want to see a real war on women all you have to do is think "Mike Pence"

Who?

Good grief. 

You have, presumably, at least browsed through this thread.  And from it you have come away with the conclusion that enslaving, torturing and murdering women as a matter of official policy of governments and the official policy of one particularly loathsome religion isn't as bad as not giving tax money to planned parenthood? 


Mike Pence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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 But he's right.  Not paying for abortion is the same as Islam.  I'm pretty sure it's in their bylaws.  
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Were women in islamic countries free to speak, I suspect they would have a few things to say to folks in the west.

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Re:An actual war upon women

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And, were we speaking of a book, you would be okay with banning it because 200 people objected?



I can easily find 200 people who would be in favor of banning the Bible.  
Can we start there?

No.  One does not have open a bible.  That is an opt in exercise.
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Re:An actual war upon women

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And, were we speaking of a book, you would be okay with banning it because 200 people objected?



I can easily find 200 people who would be in favor of banning the Bible.  
Can we start there?

No.  One does not have open a bible.  That is an opt in exercise.

Same can be said for lots of books that parents have tried to ban from school libraries.
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Re:An actual war upon women

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Same can be said for lots of books that parents have tried to ban from school libraries.

True but are children considered to have the ability to give informed consent?
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Re:An actual war upon women

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 Thanks for the male to female trans perspective because I was focused on the female to male trans revelations.

I feel balanced.

My college professors taught me the gender differences.  Females understood what I said and didn't hold my feminine word choices against me but the males did and gave me Bs.  At some point I knew an A paper when I wrote one and asked my husband about it.....he read several of my essays and changed the words and phrases and they were always stronger, without apologies and I felt courageous submitting them......and I got As after that.   So, it wasn't that I was female....it was just that I wrote like a girl.......lol

A woman's place is not where it used to be, but some unfortunate women are being forced back and some women are helping Islam do it.

I don't blame men when women don't value themselves enough to draw the same paycheck for the same job well done.  Women have monthly issues, affinities for children, and hormonal dramas that lessens their reliability.....they know they require understanding and accept lesser pay......and that's okay.  I don't see why feminists should be on their cases for it.  Males only have the privilege we allow.  Judgemental feminist bitches even attack the job choices women make as if men had anything to do with that.

My neighbor told her daughter who wanted to be a doctor that she should be a nurse instead, so she could get a husband, a man wouldn't be interested in her if she was too smart.  Fortunately her daughter didn't listen to her and became a doctor, probably because her father was fine with it.

We are the makers of our our misery .....blaming others is totally unfair.









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Re:An actual war upon women

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Were women in islamic countries free to speak, I suspect they would have a few things to say to folks in the west.

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See, that makes my point that life as we know it can change as it did for those German women.  The response even by a female leader is inadequate.  Rather dramatically women become fearful and defer to the new code or suffer the consequences.

India demonstrated against such behavior, but has the lives of women really changed there.

Here, it's not perfect, and so like a foot in the door, Muslims of this ilk can begin to change the lives of women here, mostly within their own community at first, but beyond it at some point.   I wasn't too concerned until the increased immigration of a variety of countries dramatically increased the number of  Muslims over the last decade.  We are potentially in the early stages of an invasion to overthrow our government.  Treason just slips up on us as inconceivable, as it did the Hindu of India.

Alarmist, and yet, how can we stop the change here if we can't stop it there.  Feminists couldn't change my favorable view of men ...how could they effectively fight for Muslim women.




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Re:An actual war upon women

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Reply to Nickel (07/21/2016 11:58 AM)

 Thanks for the male to female trans perspective because I was focused on the female to male trans revelations.
I feel balanced.

My college professors taught me the gender differences.  Females understood what I said and didn't hold my feminine word choices against me but the males did and gave me Bs.  At some point I knew an A paper when I wrote one and asked my husband about it.....he read several of my essays and changed the words and phrases and they were always stronger, without apologies and I felt courageous submitting them......and I got As after that.   So, it wasn't that I was female....it was just that I wrote like a girl.......lol

A woman's place is not where it used to be, but some unfortunate women are being forced back and some women are helping Islam do it.

I don't blame men when women don't value themselves enough to draw the same paycheck for the same job well done.  Women have monthly issues, affinities for children, and hormonal dramas that lessens their reliability.....they know they require understanding and accept lesser pay......and that's okay.  I don't see why feminists should be on their cases for it.  Males only have the privilege we allow.  Judgemental feminist bitches even attack the job choices women make as if men had anything to do with that.

My neighbor told her daughter who wanted to be a doctor that she should be a nurse instead, so she could get a husband, a man wouldn't be interested in her if she was too smart.  Fortunately her daughter didn't listen to her and became a doctor, probably because her father was fine with it.

We are the makers of our our misery .....blaming others is totally unfair.
You're welcome.  Ms White enjoys the benefits of both sexes... a logical mind coupled with the advantages of being a cute female.

There is a falsehood used as a foundation in feminism... that men and women are competitors.

We're not.  Never have been, never will be.  Women don't get paid less than men do... when they work the same jobs for the same amount of time.  Women have the advantage in the legal system... in divorce courts, in dv cases and when they do commit crimes, they receive lessor sentences.  Women have the advantage in society.  If two people are fighting, one is a woman... bystanders aide the woman.

All that is as it should be and I would be okay with it except it doesn't stop there.  Men are mocked, abused, portrayed in childrens shows and sitcoms as either buffoons or dangerous animals.

That, i'm not okay with.
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Re:An actual war upon women

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 A guy was beating his wife outside one of our stores, and a passing motorist pulled into the lot, got out, and knocked him to the ground......it was a big deal in the next day's paper because the motorist was a woman.

Men are not abused by women as often, but it happens, and men are also too ashamed to report it.

Abusing  others is not socially or legally acceptable, but being pretty in print doesn't guarantee what individuals will practice and the stigma makes it harder to resolve.  We can't ignore it.   Hoping it will go away......only allows it to persist.  

It's a small percentage of any given population, ........or is it?
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Re:An actual war upon women

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A guy was beating his wife outside one of our stores, and a passing motorist pulled into the lot, got out, and knocked him to the ground......it was a big deal in the next day's paper because the motorist was a woman.

Cool.

Men are not abused by women as often, but it happens, and men are also too ashamed to report it.

About 40% of dv victims are male.  Given that men are reluctant to admit it or report it, seems a decent bet to suggest the actual figure is higher.

"According to the CDC’s statistics — estimates based on more than 18,000  telephone-survey responses in the United States — roughly 5,365,000 men had been victims of intimate partner physical violence in the previous 12 months, compared with 4,741,000 women. By the study’s definition, physical violence includes slapping, pushing, and shoving. 

More severe threats like being beaten, burned, choked, kicked, slammed with a heavy object, or hit with a fist were also tracked. Roughly 40 percent of the victims of severe physical violence were men. The CDC repeated the survey in 2011, the results of which were published in 2014, and found almost identical numbers — with the percentage of male severe physical violence victims slightly rising."

https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/the-number-of-male-domestic-1284479771263030.html

Child abuse is a similar tale... it's usually the mom.  Which is to be expected in that it's primarily women who handle the child care.


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 Let's send women to war, so they can work out their anger issues like men.......

The disturbing feature of men abusing women is that they eventually kill her, if she doesn't kill him first.  Why can't they just get a divorce instead of being so mean and wrong headed?

Divorce in my family is rampant back to 3rd great grandparents.  Of the siblings, half and whole, I am the only one who married and never divorced.  I married him alone without a single member of my family present, and with his mother opposed because I was not a Catholic.  He was nothing like my father and every bit the same as the step father I adored.  He was a dear, sweet man, and you will never meet another Hawaiian like him.  Sorry, still inconsolable, and your argument reminded me of his.

Perhaps if women left the church in sufficient numbers, and the bible is rewritten eliminating patriarchal language the actual war would be won by women and we would all, men included, be free to flourish.



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Reply to Nickel (07/31/2016 6:28 AM)

Let's send women to war, so they can work out their anger issues like men.
Let's not.  Terror isn't the same as anger.  We send young men to war because young men are disposable.  They don't 'work out anger issues' in combat or any other part of the service.  They try not to get killed long enough to finish their service and collect the sizable retirement benefits they were promised.

The disturbing feature of men abusing women is that they eventually kill her, if she doesn't kill him first.  Why can't they just get a divorce instead of being so mean and wrong headed?
Women also kill their spouses and, more famously, cut things off of their spouses.  Why no concern about that?  DV does not come from only one sex.

Divorce in my family is rampant back to 3rd great grandparents.  Of the siblings, half and whole, I am the only one who married and never divorced.  I married him alone without a single member of my family present, and with his mother opposed because I was not a Catholic.  He was nothing like my father and every bit the same as the step father I adored.  He was a dear, sweet man, and you will never meet another Hawaiian like him.  Sorry, still inconsolable, and your argument reminded me of his.
I am sorry for your loss.

Perhaps if women left the church in sufficient numbers, and the bible is rewritten eliminating patriarchal language the actual war would be won by women and we would all, men included, be free to flourish.
Sigh.  Eight entire pages in this thread, the bulk of which detail the treatment of women by islam.  And we're back to blaming the bible.

The bible.  Our country, as a whole, is religious... barely.  Churches are mainly social clubs and 'hate the sin, love the sinner' is probably the most accurate sound byte to be had regarding christianity.

Excuse me while I go bang my head against the wall.  It'll be more productive than this thread.
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So if you claim to want to give a hearing to the other sides views, but then are shocked, offended to discover that there are other views, the best way to dismiss them is to declare these other views as vapid? See preaching to the choir is much easier.


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Re:An actual war upon women

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So if you claim to want to give a hearing to the other sides views, but then are shocked, offended to discover that there are other views, the best way to dismiss them is to declare these other views as vapid? See preaching to the choir is much easier.

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Re:An actual war upon women

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I feature myself a lot like you, AK. I craft a piece, admire it for awhile, relish my intellect, feel required to share my genius with others, post my masterpiece & feel that I have fulfilled my responsibility to the lesser members of this forum.


Re: your last question; My prior post was in reference to your banging your head against the wall remark.


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Interesting characterization.

You feel no frustration when, after speaking about the agonies of being burned alive, someone comments that getting a sunburn is just as bad?
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Well, gotta give ya that one.


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Re:An actual war upon women

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 You don't consider the bible patriarchal?  You don't see that Peter cast out Mary Magdalene, a favorite of Jesus, like the rock of a man he was?

One of the longest systemic oppressions of women is guided by the bible and the men who wrote and edited and interpreted it to their liking......and you sigh.

Fine.

Without the bible, 15 men near the town of Bulandshahr in Uttar Pradesh, India, gang raped a mother and daughter after stopping the car they were traveling in and tying up the three male relatives traveling with them.  So much for the rage about India's Daughter, the marching and protests. 
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Re:An actual war upon women

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 Sunburn.....

You keep dusting off the table of discussion how the rights of women come and go....for women no feminist victory is permanent which is the point I keep trying to make in different words and anecdotes, along with trying to identify the signs that lead to the shift back to oppression of women.

Guess I should start my own thread since I can't quite get the jist of this one.

Men have never let women get so far that an actual war upon them was necessary.
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Re:An actual war upon women

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Reply to Nickel (08/02/2016 10:15 AM)

 You don't consider the bible patriarchal?  You don't see that Peter cast out Mary Magdalene, a favorite of Jesus, like the rock of a man he was?
I consider the bible to be a fairy tale... as do most people.

One of the longest systemic oppressions of women is guided by the bible and the men who wrote and edited and interpreted it to their liking......and you sigh.
Yes.  As I said, in modern america we're religious mainly in name, only, and most of us consider the bible to be a fairy tale.

Fine.

Without the bible, 15 men near the town of Bulandshahr in Uttar Pradesh, India, gang raped a mother and daughter after stopping the car they were traveling in and tying up the three male relatives traveling with them.  So much for the rage about India's Daughter, the marching and protests.
India is hindu... and a third world hell hole.


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Re:An actual war upon women

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Reply to Nickel (08/02/2016 10:27 AM)

 Sunburn.....

You keep dusting off the table of discussion how the rights of women come and go....for women no feminist victory is permanent which is the point I keep trying to make in different words and anecdotes, along with trying to identify the signs that lead to the shift back to oppression of women.
I don't accept the entire concept, Nickel.  The whole idea rests upon the notion that men and women are separate critters, competitors, that the success of one comes at the expense of the other.  I reject that premise.

Guess I should start my own thread since I can't quite get the jist of this one.
Please do.

Men have never let women get so far that an actual war upon them was necessary.
Men and women are not competitors.


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Re:An actual war upon women

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Everyone is a competitor in one way or another.


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Re:An actual war upon women

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 Yes, we all compete....and it's good for us.

Crying gender or race privilege obfuscates the class dissatisfaction that really bothers people, but it generates support and initiates some change even though it should be obvious 100 + years later that the changes are temporary.   Roe vs Wade is constantly under attack...even by Roe herself.  We need a Black Lives Matter, too, movement.....why?

Something is wrong in a free country when such movements can take people away from work and play to participate.  

Irreconcilable differences distract us every election cycle, and we let them.

People want the American Dream back......work hard and you can get whatever you want.  When the economy is good everything else just falls into place......




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Re:An actual war upon women

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Reply to tommytalldog (08/03/2016 8:06 AM)

Everyone is a competitor in one way or another.


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No.  The idea that men and women are competitors is as nonsensical as suggesting ones left hand competes against ones right hand.
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Re:An actual war upon women

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Cutsey little analogy but way off base, AK. Competition is everywhere in life, even among siblings. OMG, even for government jobs, see Civil Service tests.


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Re:An actual war upon women

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Does your heart compete with your lungs, tdog?
Men and women are not competitors.
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