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I've never been a big fan of feminism and in its current incarnation, (3rd or 4th wave), it's gone from 'meh' to 'uhg' in my mind. 

The video above looks at Blade Runner 2049 through a 'feminist perspective' or at least what the creator thinks is a 'feminist perspective' and while listening to her I realized how profoundly wrong I have been about 3rd and 4th wave feminism.  They're not just uhg, wrong but harmless.  They are absolutely vile and if the ideology has indeed seeped into our culture, it might turn out to be fatal.


So, sure.  Movies are subjective and you can interpret them however you wish.  My question is, why would anyone want to interpret the women in this movie in the way that Ms. Deschanel has done?  She exhibits such a profound incomprehension of the dance between men and women as to border parody.


I'll speak about Joi and K as those two, in my opinion, are the heart and soul of the movie.  Deschanel interprets the relationship between them as purely exploitative.  K bought himself a robot girl to satisfy his need to dominate women... something like that.  She objects that Joi's death is experienced through K's point of view.  She thinks Joi objectifies women.  That the 'perfection' of Joi is an insult to women.


Fair enough.  You can chose to interpret it all in that way, if you wish.  But why?  For what purpose?  It is the most heinous, ugly interpretation that could possibly be tacked onto it.  It's horrifying to me that Ms. Deschanel may actually look at the world through that ideology, terrifying to think that ideology may have metastasized into western culture.


Of course, I'm biased toward my own interpretation of the movie;  K is so desperately lonely, so desperately in need of a meaning to his life that he grasps for what is within his reach;  a robot girl he cannot even touch.  And you know what?  I think that's actually true of most men... if given a choice between Joi or a lifeless sex doll... there is no choice.  It will be Joi, every time.  If guys were the mindless pigs looking for a place to bury our dicks, how would choosing an untouchable hologram make any sense.


In point of fact, eye tracking technology has demonstrated that men spend more time looking at women's faces than anywhere else, even when looking at pornography. 


Moving on to another topic;  Artificial intelligence


Joi was a fascinating character, I thought.  Was she all programming?  Like the first Blade Runner, she's an question about when sentience begins and, in the case of computers, how the hell can you tell the difference between sentience and perfect programming?

We've had quite a number of movies and books about that sort of problem;  West World, Alita, Ex Machina...


Personally, I think Joi achieved sentience and the reason I believe that is because of the crash scene.

You can skip to about 3:20.  The car has crashed, K is knocked out and so is Joi.  She 'reboots' first and is glitchy as fuck but she's focused instantly on K and starts to panic when he doesn't respond.


So, you might argue that's how she's programmed to react and fair enough.  But I'd have to wonder why a hologram would be programmed to panic?  Why would a hologram be programmed to do anything when it's owner is unconscious?


Of course, maybe I'm rationalizing and justifying what I want to be true... but I don't think so.  If a program comes that close to real, so close that you really cannot tell... what difference does it make?  Programs and people run on electricity.



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Re:Blade Runner 2049 & feminism

Date Posted:09/23/2020 10:37 PMCopy HTML

It’s in my dvd list.


If women want a less objectified view of themselves in movies, they should write them, not negatively critique a trying male’s view.


In the early 40s, for lack of male writers who were off playing with the toys of war, women were writing the scripts.  A completely different kind of woman emerged, one of sterner stuff, intelligent, while still being attractive, fashionably dressed.


Men returned from the war, sent women writers home, and wrote their fantasies about women with pretty little heads and amazing bodies who shouldn’t ever worry because the man in her life will always save her from harm.


My Facebook wall is now full of women and their successes historically because I am so incredibly sick of first woman this and first woman that, as if we haven’t always been this and that, if it’s what we really wanted.  


There’s always another way!


Even military women whine and cry over the way men treat them.....or treated them while on active duty.  The ones who’ve had children are especially puzzling.  


The Women Marines were different when I joined in 1963; we were women first and freeing men to go fight ie. play with expensive toys.  Since the 70s women have been itching to play and take their toys away,....every mother knows how that’s going to go.  


“The only difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.”  Commanding Officer’s wife, had that on a plaque in her living room, and it seems profoundly true all these years later.


Some jerk in my Airwing group asked just how many women officers are pilots.  Of course, all pilots are officers first, then apply to become pilots, so there were flippant responses, but he was after more, and it felt like ridicule was coming.  Every day for two weeks, I added the photo and story of a military female pilot, decorated, serving, completing missions, a couple died for the country.  A number of the members posted how good to go they were, having served with them.  It was quite the education for me as well.  I’ve not kept up with the specifics, just vaguely aware.  I stopped when he said, “okay”. Overwhelming with facts is not a bad activity for me in my smoked filled valley, threatened by a pandemic.


Just don’t turn off the internet!

Wait, I’ve a shelf of books I need to read......yeah, I’m easily bored.  


I’ll have to get back to you about Blade Runner, but men, as a psych study read years ago claimed, look at a woman’s face to see if she likes what she sees.  If she does, he thinks she’s pretty.  Nothing quite like the eyes for honesty.

What goes around, comes around.
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Re:Blade Runner 2049 & feminism

Date Posted:09/25/2020 1:27 PMCopy HTML

"In the early 40s, for lack of male writers who were off playing with the toys of war, women were writing the scripts.  A completely different kind of woman emerged, one of sterner stuff, intelligent, while still being attractive, fashionably dressed.

Men returned from the war, sent women writers home, and wrote their fantasies about women with pretty little heads and amazing bodies who shouldn’t ever worry because the man in her life will always save her from harm."


Is that objectively true, though?  It's just that statement seems remarkably low resolution and doesn't ring true.  I'm not trying to be contrarian for the sake of it, I ask the question in good faith.


Since it is possible to go through every movie since the very first one and cherry pick examples to support our positions, some limitation is required.


https://www.insider.com/most-popular-movie-every-year-2017-8#1933-king-kong-3

  

Scrolling through that list doesn't clearly suggest I'm right or you are right.


I will say the rise of the mary sue has been annoying AF.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue


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Re:Blade Runner 2049 & feminism

Date Posted:09/27/2020 3:18 AMCopy HTML

It’s not that hard to see the differences between Katherine Hepburn and Marilyn Monroe and Angelina Jolie.


Women writers are better at realistic women than the fantasies of war weary men or their pansy perfection of women.


Liberation victimized women and made men the villains.  Fortunately, most women didn’t succumb.





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Re:Blade Runner 2049 & feminism

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Why compare Marilyn Monroe or Katherine Hepburn to Angelina Jolie?  Why not, Michelle Pfieffer or Kristina Hendricks?


Of course women might be better at writing female characters, generally, but does that mean they cannot write male characters?  Can men not write female characters?


Or perhaps, as the great Jordan Peterson suggests, we must view things through the eyes of minorities and the highest resolution minority you can find is the individual.  Mary Shelly wrote Frankenstein.  Nathaniel Hawthorne wrote the Scarlet Letter.


The more I think of Dr. Peterson's observation, the more convinced I become that he is correct;  deal with individuals as much as possible.  Tribalism is low resolution and generally used for nefarious purposes.

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Re:Blade Runner 2049 & feminism

Date Posted:09/27/2020 10:08 PMCopy HTML

Individually they represent the three different types we’ve mentioned, just for illustrative purposes, not proof. Europeans tend to be rugged individualists and they are up against minority collectives whining about the way the majority which includes apples, Oreos, twinkies, and other racial betrayals, treat them. As if they don’t offend....... Tribalism in our free country is not against the law. Feudalism isn’t either. Individuals don’t represent the country, state, county, city, or neighborhood. They don’t even represent their family. However that’s not the way a sufficient number of people think. So we have Floyd and all that followed his wrongful death around the world. Unhappy minority collectives who stand up to injustice as a mob, too cowardly to take out their frustration one person at a time in everyday life. Courts evolved to stem mob rule, provide the appearance of justice, so people would stop taking the law into their own hands. You’re right to focus on the individuals responsible. Collectives acting as one are destructive, but it doesn’t take much to dissolve them, personal interests being what they are. All it took to defeat Confuscious was three beautiful women distracting his prince.
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