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If anyone wants to know, in a nutshell, what life is like in Beijing... it's the worlds largest example of Sim-City.

However, and ironically, the people who live in Beijing are actually more free than we are.  Granted, there are certain limitations;  come to the attention of authorities and you're screwed.  But, that's pretty much the case here, too, except in Beijing what gets the attention of authorities is doing or saying something that causes authorities to 'lose face'.

Here, you can publicly call Obama or Bush, "mouth breathing shit for brains", and not spend any time hanging by your toes.  And that's nice.  That's how it should be.

But, aside from that, Beijingers are more free than we are.  Want to sell bottled water on the sidewalk?  No problem.  Want to start any sort of business on the side walk?  No problem.  Empty tool shed on the side of your apartment building?  Take it over and it becomes a food stand or mini-grocery.  I've seen it.  It's awesome!  If you ever go to China, or pretty much any other asian nation and not partake of street food... you're an idiot.

Here, we arrest little girls for running lemonade stands.  Don't even think about opening even a hotdog cart without paying the bribes to city officials, they'll call out the fucking swat team on your arse if you try it.

In Taiwan, there are entire streets that get shut down each night as the 'night markets' open up.  It's actually an enjoyable experience... and I'm a dude.  I fucking hate shopping.  But the night markets are so exuberant and the variety of shops so amazing that it's actually interesting.

Once upon a time, the US was the greatest nation on earth.  We had that exuberance and that freedom.  It's long gone now and all that seems to remain is arrogance... we know better than anyone else... we have nothing to learn from anyone else.

There is a lot to learn and freedom remains the most powerful force for good there ever was.  And a very good place to rejuvenate freedom is to do away with all the shackles we place upon individual entrepreneurs.  Beijing doesn't bother with trying to tax them or regulate them... there are too many of them and not enough 'officials'... not to mention attempting to crack down on them would in all probability cause the ordinarily docile Chinese citizenry to go fucking ballistic.

I want to see street vendors on the streets of down town Anchorage.  I want Americans to be able to start a 'micro-business' without having to take out a fucking mortgage to pay for the licenses and fees and permits and inspections and visits from the entire alphabet soup of bureaucrats.
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Hmm, we can't call Bush or Obama shit for brains? Can they call Mao or any leader shit for brains, can they post that on the net, "Mao was shit for brains?" Can they even use the net, can they receive text's from the US, hell no. Freer cause they have late night markets, plenty of cities do around the world, big deal.
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Reply to katie5445 (03/27/2016 5:55 AM)

Hmm, we can't call Bush or Obama shit for brains? Can they call Mao or any leader shit for brains, can they post that on the net, "Mao was shit for brains?"

You might re-read the O.P. for comprehension.

Can they even use the net, can they receive text's from the US, hell no.

Yes, they can.  We, well, my wife texts, calls, video chats with her family daily.  Literally, daily.


Freer cause they have late night markets, plenty of cities do around the world, big deal.

Pretty much the entire o.p. seems to have flown right over your head.  Coffee.  Get some coffee.
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Re:In communist China...

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Remember I couldn't text my husband there, he texted me, never received one of mine, we had to do the phone which the cost was outrageous and yes I do have international phone service discount. I read to fast, get out the wet noodle..........and don't you see the importance of being able to speak against a leader or is it more important to be able to run a lemonade stand at midnight?
It didn't go over my head, freedom and China are an oxymoron.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_safety_incidents_in_China

I would not rate market stalls all that highly as a way of living - a bit desperate really, especially in the cold.  Think of it as a stepping stone, a hobby or as a dead end.  1 and 2 are ok but 3 is definitely not recommended.
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"...don't you see the importance of being able to speak against a leader or is it more important to be able to run a lemonade stand at midnight" ~ Katie

Yes, I see... and more importantly actually understand the importance.  On the flip side, can you see the importance, and understand it, of being able to earn a living without having to seek, bribe and beg permission from authorities?  Authorities who, far more often than not, regard you as a pest/milk cow.


WRS, after having gone through the wiki article you linked, I found no references to street vendors.  Every instance was from a 'brick and mortar' industrial plant... all allegedly regulated by the Chinese government.  Indeed, I do believe several asshats were executed over the baby food scandal... and rightfully so.

No, despite your prejudice against individual entrepreneurs, the fact is.... it's good money or they would not be doing it. 

And it seems like that aspect very often escapes the radical left, radical right and a whole lot of people in between.  People do not become street vendors, street performers, leave the farm to work in the factory, etc., etc., etc.... they don't do those things for no reason.  They do them because... more money/less effort.

More money. Less effort.  In other words, they are advancing their status, looking after themselves, getting ahead, taking care of their families.

When busybodies go after street vendors or factories in third world nations... their intentions may be good (I assume... I hope so) but the results harm people who have harmed no one and were finally getting ahead of the game.  Those people, thrown out of work, never know why or who was responsible... I wish they did.

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You bribed the govt. for your job? You could skip Hawaii go to China in June for the Yulin Festival, bet dog goes nice with lemonade.
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 What hell is wrong with you?
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Reply to alaskaone (03/27/2016 7:56 PM)

 What hell is wrong with you?

Isn't that funny, I'm wondering the opposite! 
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However, and ironically, the people who live in Beijing are actually more free than we are. 

I think a legitimist question is then why are you living in <!--?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /-->America.


No, that would be a douche-bag question. 

A legitimate question would be, 'how has it come to pass that Beijing-ers daily lives are more free than ours?'
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However, and ironically, the people who live in Beijing are actually more free than we are. 

I think a legitimist question is then why are you living in <!--?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /-->America.


No, that would be a douche-bag question. 

A legitimate question would be, 'how has it come to pass that Beijing-ers daily lives are more free than ours?'


Really AK? Do you think if it was in Times Square & one guy was blocking an American tank that one guy would have been mowed down?


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Really AK? Do you think if it was in Times Square & one guy was blocking an American tank that one guy would have been mowed down?

Tdog


Of course he would have been mowed down.  There is no legitimate question about it.

US Police Have Killed 1,000 People (And Counting) This Year

The Guardian and other sites are collecting the data on deadly force that the government won't.


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And most of em deserved to be "offed." But if you really believe that with the circumstances I posted I am suffering tortures untold by your honest answer.


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I was very specific, T-dog.  In their daily lives, people in Beijing are more free than we are, except where it comes to criticizing or acting against the central government.  In response, you point at an event that took place in 1989... 27 years ago where a bunch of people directly challenged the central government.  The result was exactly what you would expect when large numbers of unarmed people confront large numbers of armed people.

That's not 'daily life'.  In your daily life, how much do you actually even think about the federal government let alone interact with it?  Me... outside of AE... zero on a daily basis.  The few times I do interact with the feds;  tax time, trying to have a family gathering with my in-laws, returning from travel abroad... those encounters always range from mildly distasteful to extremely offensive.  Last time through customs, the customs shithead stole all my wife's chicken noodle packages, the deranged fuck.

But in daily life... if unka sam were magicked off the face of the earth... would you even notice?  I wouldn't except for becoming considerably more well off as the current 33% of my income siphoned siphoned away would remain mine.

And do you really think our own government would react any differently than Beijing did, to the uprising?  That last time our central government was directly challenged, in the 1860's, unka sam killed 94,000 confederate soldiers at the cost of losing 110,000 union soldiers.  Lots more died later from disease, wounds, suicide but lets stick with the basics.

More recently, unka sam via the FBI & ATF, burned alive a bunch of women & children... then ran back and forth over their smoking bodies with a tank.  The guy who sniped people fleeing the fire, lon horiuchi, was suitably chastised with a promotion 'cause he's so good at sniping civilians, having done so previously when he shot and killed an unarmed woman holding a baby in her arms.


Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:In communist China...

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However, and ironically, the people who live in Beijing are actually more free than we are. 

I think a legitimist question is then why are you living in <!--?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /--><!--?xml:namespace prefix = st1 /-->America.


No, that would be a douche-bag question. 

A legitimate question would be, 'how has it come to pass that Beijing-ers daily lives are more free than ours?'

Sorry that was my mistake.  I was thinking you would want more freedom.  But more freedom requires more responsibility.  That would require you to get a real job.     



Look, nff.  If you want to be mickeyrat then go over to free speech.  I don't need his foul shit leaking over here and I'm sick of you ragging on me like a whiny little bitch, I get way more than enough of that shit from Katie.


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AK, the only time I deal with the federal government is when I send them my income taxes owed. Your statement that the Chinese daily lives are more free than our own is absurd.


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AK, the only time I deal with the federal government is when I send them my income taxes owed. Your statement that the Chinese daily lives are more free than our own is absurd.

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Okay.  You've made a statement.  Evidence?

Or are you merely quibbling over language?  Perhaps this will help you...  In many ways, people in Beijing enjoy more freedom than do people in the US.

The thing is, I've actually been there.  Many times,  And while their central government is tyrannical... it also doesn't concern itself over much with the day to day lives of people who live there nor does it bother small businesses. 

Street cops there don't even carry weapons other than batons and cuffs. 

If you are an entrepreneur,  opening a business is simple... you just find a spot and knock yourself out.  There is a fabulous small grocery/kitchen in an old tool shed at the end of my in-law's apartment building.  Dude just cleaned out the garbage, threw some whitewash on the walls and started cooking on a super-powered propane stove. 

then there are the street venders out every evening on the sidewalk... best food you ever had.


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I don't see that as freedom, I see that as the Chinese govt. giving a bone to a dog.
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That is not freedom, your statements are still absurd. You complain incessantly about our "central government" & give their "central government" a pass by "other than." You are getting wackier & wackier, take your meds.


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I don't see that as freedom, I see that as the Chinese govt. giving a bone to a dog.

It's a bone worth having.  Why can't our masters do the same for us?  Leave people alone?  Is that really so much to ask?

Why are little girls arrested for running lemonaide stands?  Why can't you set up a coffee shack in your front yard?  Why can't you buy that abandoned building on the corner and turn it into a neighborhood cafe?
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However, and ironically, the people who live in Beijing are actually more free than we are. 

I think a legitimist question is then why are you living in <!--?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /--><!--?xml:namespace prefix = st1 /-->America.


No, that would be a douche-bag question. 

A legitimate question would be, 'how has it come to pass that Beijing-ers daily lives are more free than ours?'

Sorry that was my mistake.  I was thinking you would want more freedom.  But more freedom requires more responsibility.  That would require you to get a real job.     





Two points, first you are the one who started the name calling – see “douche-bag”.  (Now comes your ever protest that you were only joking when you insult me.)

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No.  Here comes your grammar lesson.  An adjective describes a noun or pro-noun.  In the cherry you picked above, the context clearly points to the question as the subject... meaning it is the question that is douche-bag which is why it says, "douche bag question".


If you were the subject of the sentence, then you would be correct that I insulted you, personally. 


And since you're clearly not comprehending what I'm saying, in this context "douche-bag question" means I believe your question was pointless and deliberately insulting.


Next, you are saying China has more freedoms.

No.  What I said and said clearly was that people in Beijing, in their daily lives, are in many ways more free than here.


If I believed that I would move there in a heartbeat.  When I question you on why you are still in America when you could be in what you call the “land of freedom” all I got was attacks on me.

And now you're playing the victim card.  You pop in with an insult and get all bent out of shape when it gets thrown back in your face.  As I said, if you want to be mickeyrat, go to FSA and be mickeyrat.


You have family there.  So what is holding you back in this land where you are on welfare and where you have a welfare government make work “job” that prime goal is to deny freedom to Americans?

Fuck me running.  How many times do we have to do this, NFF?  What twisted kick do you get out of doing this over and over?  Let's do it one more time, for the last time.


Should governments enforce laws?  Yes or No.

Should a government imprison people as a way of enforcing laws?  Yes or No.

Should imprisoned people survive their imprisonment?  Yes or No.

If you believe people should survive imprisonment then do you believe employees should be paid to ensure that they survive?  Yes or No.


For someone who says they are for smaller government you sure depend a lot from the government.

No.  I do a job and then I get paid.

 

You have this problem of putting your foot in your mouth and then attacking others for pointing it out.  See my last post on “$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast“.  It has been a month and a half since the last time I questioned you on the post of yours that is now “missing”.  You asked me to prove the post was “missing”.  I went to the trouble of proving the post that you deleted is missing.   I showed you where both of us discussed the now “missing” post.  I thinking you deleted the post because it made you look stupid.  You keep saying you never posted the stupid statement.  But you cannot explain then why did you discuss the “missing” post. 

No, NFF.  You made something up and attributed it to me and now you're obsessed upon getting me believe your fantasy.

 

Be a man.  Admit you said something stupid and to cover it up you deleted it.  But then being a man would mean you would have to get off of welfare and get a real job.

Be sane, NFF.  I have deleted nothing.

 

On that subject of the “missing” post, please tell us how WWII did not end the Great Depression because some people thought the depression would return but they were wrong.

Yes, that's the shit you've made up and attributed to me.  The wording and language is your very special form of logic, not mine.

 

On the other hand if WWII, with its record profits, a negative unemployment rate, record saving, record revenues for the government… did not end the Great Depression what did end it and when did exactly did the Great Depression end? 

This dead horse is in another thread, take it over there if you wish to beat it again.

 

But then these are all legitimate questions in response to your stupid remarks so I know you will not address them and I am ready for barrage of slanderous statements in replace of a legitimate response.


Let me illustrate what you are doing.


Me:  NFF, tell me about the time you said unicorns eat cats.

You:  I didn't.

Me:  Yes, you did. 

You:  Where?  When?

Me:  You deleted it.

You:  I did not!


Rinse, lather and repeat this exchange across a dozen threads over a couple years.





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Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Let me illustrate what you are doing.


Me:  NFF, tell me about the time you said unicorns eat cats.

You:  I didn't.

Me:  Yes, you did. 

You:  Where?  When?

Me:  You deleted it.

You:  I did not!


Rinse, lather and repeat this exchange across a dozen threads over a couple years.


Nice try at blowing smoke.  The problem is both of us posted commit about your “missing” post.  Please explain why you would commit and try to restate what you said in a post of yours (to try and make it look like you were not an incomplete idiot with your first post) if you never posted the now "missing" post in the first place?  


Take over to that thread, NFF.  I'm not playing this game with you in this one.
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I'd rather have steak than a bone and a lemonade stand.
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Reply to nofencesfacing (03/29/2016 7:15 AM)

Reply to alaskaone (03/29/2016 9:28 AM)

Reply to nofencesfacing (03/29/2016 6:18 AM)

Let me illustrate what you are doing.


Me:  NFF, tell me about the time you said unicorns eat cats.

You:  I didn't.

Me:  Yes, you did. 

You:  Where?  When?

Me:  You deleted it.

You:  I did not!


Rinse, lather and repeat this exchange across a dozen threads over a couple years.


Nice try at blowing smoke.  The problem is both of us posted commit about your “missing” post.  Please explain why you would commit and try to restate what you said in a post of yours (to try and make it look like you were not an incomplete idiot with your first post) if you never posted the now "missing" post in the first place?  


Take over to that thread, NFF.  I'm not playing this game with you in this one.

Then quit playing around and answer the questions douche-bag.  Why did you restate a post that you now say never existed?  Do you always restate things that you never said?



Two points, first you are the one who started the name calling – see “douche-bag”.  (Now comes your ever protest that you were only joking when you insult me.)


No.  Here comes your grammar lesson.  An adjective describes a noun or pro-noun.  In the cherry you picked above, the context clearly points to the question as the subject... meaning it is the question that is douche-bag which is why it says, "douche bag question".


If you were the subject of the sentence, then you would be correct that I insulted you, personally. 


And since you're clearly not comprehending what I'm saying, in this context "douche-bag question" means I believe your question was pointless and deliberately insulting.
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 No kidding
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Reply to alaskaone (03/29/2016 11:13 AM)

Reply to nofencesfacing (03/29/2016 7:15 AM)

Reply to alaskaone (03/29/2016 9:28 AM)

Reply to nofencesfacing (03/29/2016 6:18 AM)

Let me illustrate what you are doing.


Me:  NFF, tell me about the time you said unicorns eat cats.

You:  I didn't.

Me:  Yes, you did. 

You:  Where?  When?

Me:  You deleted it.

You:  I did not!


Rinse, lather and repeat this exchange across a dozen threads over a couple years.


Nice try at blowing smoke.  The problem is both of us posted commit about your “missing” post.  Please explain why you would commit and try to restate what you said in a post of yours (to try and make it look like you were not an incomplete idiot with your first post) if you never posted the now "missing" post in the first place?  


Take over to that thread, NFF.  I'm not playing this game with you in this one.

Then quit playing around and answer the questions douche-bag.  Why did you restate a post that you now say never existed?  Do you always restate things that you never said?



Two points, first you are the one who started the name calling – see “douche-bag”.  (Now comes your ever protest that you were only joking when you insult me.)


No.  Here comes your grammar lesson.  An adjective describes a noun or pro-noun.  In the cherry you picked above, the context clearly points to the question as the subject... meaning it is the question that is douche-bag which is why it says, "douche bag question".


If you were the subject of the sentence, then you would be correct that I insulted you, personally. 


And since you're clearly not comprehending what I'm saying, in this context "douche-bag question" means I believe your question was pointless and deliberately insulting.

What are you replying to?  I never posted that??  


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Reply to nofencesfacing (03/31/2016 9:49 AM)

Reply to alaskaone (03/29/2016 11:13 AM)

Reply to nofencesfacing (03/29/2016 7:15 AM)

Reply to alaskaone (03/29/2016 9:28 AM)

Reply to nofencesfacing (03/29/2016 6:18 AM)

Let me illustrate what you are doing.


Me:  NFF, tell me about the time you said unicorns eat cats.

You:  I didn't.

Me:  Yes, you did. 

You:  Where?  When?

Me:  You deleted it.

You:  I did not!


Rinse, lather and repeat this exchange across a dozen threads over a couple years.


Nice try at blowing smoke.  The problem is both of us posted commit about your “missing” post.  Please explain why you would commit and try to restate what you said in a post of yours (to try and make it look like you were not an incomplete idiot with your first post) if you never posted the now "missing" post in the first place?  


Take over to that thread, NFF.  I'm not playing this game with you in this one.

Then quit playing around and answer the questions douche-bag.  Why did you restate a post that you now say never existed?  Do you always restate things that you never said?



Two points, first you are the one who started the name calling – see “douche-bag”.  (Now comes your ever protest that you were only joking when you insult me.)


No.  Here comes your grammar lesson.  An adjective describes a noun or pro-noun.  In the cherry you picked above, the context clearly points to the question as the subject... meaning it is the question that is douche-bag which is why it says, "douche bag question".


If you were the subject of the sentence, then you would be correct that I insulted you, personally. 


And since you're clearly not comprehending what I'm saying, in this context "douche-bag question" means I believe your question was pointless and deliberately insulting.

What are you replying to?  I never posted that??  



Actually, you did.  Here is how Aimoo works;  if you create a post, you can delete it and leave no trace but only if no one has used the drop down menu function called, "quote and reply".  When a member deletes a post, that post will be deleted however any passages that have been quoted in other posts still remain.

I routinely use the 'quote and reply' function because it helps alleviate confusion as to who and what I am replying to.
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 Food safety is more important in America than freedom to set up a business anywhere that works.  China doesn't care if people get sick and die from street food, more than enough people to take their place.  Speaks well for the general population that what is offered is as you describe.


One of the things that killed downtowns across America was the prohibition of food carts, so you have a good point there.  Turns out the downtown improvement districts designed by professional architects and engineers actually made people uncomfortable.  Together with the loss of food carts people just stopped going, and found other places, sometimes further away to spend their time and money.  Timeless Design describes the phenomenon, and explains why some public spaces are frequently used and others are left empty.  

We are free to start a business in the desirable zone, and build according to code, and serve according to health regulations.  It's more costly and annoying, but it's what we want, overprotective people that we are.




What goes around, comes around.
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Reply to Nickel (04/02/2016 10:23 PM)

Food safety is more important in America than freedom to set up a business anywhere that works.
That's the shiny label but my cynical bastardism suggests the real reason is different.

China doesn't care if people get sick and die from street food, more than enough people to take their place.  
Hmmm.  When was the last CEO executed in the US for products contaminated with botulism or anything else?  The central government of China 'cares' about its citizens every bit as much as Unka Sam cares about us... meaning, not at all.

Speaks well for the general population that what is offered is as you describe.
Nickel, you've not had food until you've 'grazed' your way through a Singapore night market or a street vender in Beijing. 

One of the things that killed downtowns across America was the prohibition of food carts, so you have a good point there.  Turns out the downtown improvement districts designed by professional architects and engineers actually made people uncomfortable.  Together with the loss of food carts people just stopped going, and found other places, sometimes further away to spend their time and money.  Timeless Design describes the phenomenon, and explains why some public spaces are frequently used and others are left empty.  
I'll elaborate upon the cynical bastard reference above... brick and mortar stores hate food carts and street venders... rightfully so given the circumstances.  B&M shops face huge mortgages, business taxes, regulatory burdens, maintenance costs and, of course, they're fairly stuck where they are.  Sidewalk venders... not so much.

We are free to start a business in the desirable zone, and build according to code, and serve according to health regulations.  It's more costly and annoying, but it's what we want, overprotective people that we are.
Very few cities do not use zoning to force people to limit their activities to approved areas... Houston is the biggest example that comes to mind.

And are you sure zoning is what you want?  Did anyone ever ask you?
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