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Date Posted:03/30/2012 10:05 AMCopy HTML

Property tax, after income tax, is one of the most corrosive forms of taxation in existance.  While income tax tells you that you are a slave to various governments, property tax tells you that nothing you worked for belongs to you unless you pay the squeeze.

Seems like maybe some folks are fighting back against property taxes... have a go at this report.

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2012/03/property-tax-revolution-in-north-dakota.html
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Date Posted:06/29/2012 4:58 AMCopy HTML

I am not happy to pay what the various authorities consider to be my "fair share".

I do not believe a majority of government spending goes towards maintaining either a safe or a sane society.  Indeed - much of what is done by government now is incredibly unsafe (endless wars throughout the world) and insane (wars, covering the losses of millionaires and billionaires while allowing them to keep their gains, etc).
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Date Posted:07/03/2012 11:37 AMCopy HTML



As if HPD officers don't have anything better to do.  Pathetic!
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Date Posted:07/03/2012 4:18 PMCopy HTML

I don't know, she interfered with the collection of money for the govt and it's always about the money, no matter your label.
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Date Posted:07/04/2012 5:37 AMCopy HTML

My god.  If only you could make that connection to obamacare.
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Date Posted:07/31/2012 12:34 AMCopy HTML

Farmers in Fauquier County are planning to bring their pitchforks to an Aug. 2 hearing before the Board of Zoning Appeals to protest the arbitrary treatment of one of their own. On April 30, Zoning Administrator Kimberley Johnson sent Martha Boneta an official cease-and-desist notice for selling farm products and hosting a birthday party for her best friend's 10-year-old daughter on her 70-acre Paris, Va., farm without a special administrative permit.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/examiner-local-editorial-fauquier-county-steps-over-the-line/article/2503450

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Date Posted:07/31/2012 1:14 AMCopy HTML

Reply to alaskaone (07/03/2012 10:37 PM)

My god.  If only you could make that connection to obamacare.

Or you could choose car insurance or seat belts or helmets. The "connection" comes when it doesn't benefit society by saving lives and money. That you choose not to save those lives or $$ in the mantra of freedom of choice is to bad. You are not an island, if you need to live so, find one, buy it and do your own thing.
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Date Posted:07/31/2012 2:17 PMCopy HTML

Down that path, young katie, is hell.  It's been taken before, and it always goes to the same place.
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Date Posted:07/31/2012 3:15 PMCopy HTML

My my you are exxergating again, "hell" is not this country, at our worst of times living here has not been living in "hell."
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Date Posted:07/31/2012 3:23 PMCopy HTML

The natural progression is for freedom to erode and tyranny take over.

And, yes.  I'm looking at my daughters with the full knowledge they've been enslaved by the previous couple of generations.

I'm thinking we're going to leave.
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Date Posted:07/31/2012 3:26 PMCopy HTML

Have you picked that island and can you afford it?
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Date Posted:07/31/2012 3:43 PMCopy HTML

New Zealand looks nice, as does Australia.  There are other possibilities, as well. 

Is there any injustice you are unwilling to tolerate... so long as it's unka sam doing it?
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They are lovely but they have everything and more that you hate here.
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Date Posted:08/01/2012 12:43 PMCopy HTML

Your imaginings about me and the reality are quite different.

Australia's debt is 39.7% of its gdp.  Ours is 72.3% and going through the roof.  Can't find N.Z.'s.

And you dodged the question.
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Date Posted:08/01/2012 2:41 PMCopy HTML

I wasn't thinking about debt but SS, welfare, unemployment insurance, national health care system, large chunk of university, college, tech school financed by the govt., their system that resembles HUD is far more extensive including to foreigners and more, in other words their 'social' systems offers more than ours.
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Date Posted:08/01/2012 3:26 PMCopy HTML

I forgot one, taxes, NZ pays quite a chunk more in taxes than we do and Australia a bit more.
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Date Posted:08/01/2012 3:38 PMCopy HTML

It's their decision. 

I am adamantly opposed to inter-generational debt and government pyramid schemes.  Using poor people to benefit the wealthy seniors who sank the nation into debt and made war a hobby is indefensible.

Last I heard, the Aussies and Kiwis weren't enslaving their own children or assassinating people for fun.
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Date Posted:08/01/2012 3:42 PMCopy HTML

I could live in either one, easily, I've gotten the impression you were more opposed to a 'nanny state' more than anything else.

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Date Posted:08/01/2012 3:55 PMCopy HTML

I am opposed to an all-powerful centralized government such as what is growing in washington d.c.  Symptoms of it are our intergenerational debt, perpetual warfare and endemic corporatism.

A while back, I lived on a 1940 wooden motor yacht in s.e. Alaska.  Might be I'll eventually pick up another yacht and we'll just island hop while rome burns down.  When the dust settles, we'll come back and help clean up.

Depends upon how violent unka sam becomes.
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When New Hampshire Governor John Lynch signed HB 146 into law on June 18, the Granite State became the first in the nation to enact a measure explicitly recognizing and protecting the indispensable right of jury nullification.

New Hampshire’s jury nullification law reads, in relevant part: “In all criminal proceedings the court shall permit the defense to inform the jury of its right to judge the facts and the application of the law in relation to the facts in controversy.”

There is nothing novel about the principle and practice of jury nullification, which dictates that citizen juries have the right and authority to rule both on the facts of a case, and the validity of a given law. This is widely recognized in judicial precedents in both American history and in Anglo-Saxon common law dating back to the Magna Carta (or earlier). At the time of the American founding it was well and widely understood that the power of citizen juries – both grand and petit – was plenary, and that their chief function was to force the government to prove its case against a defendant – and the validity of the law in question.

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Reply to katie5445 (08/01/2012 10:26 AM)

I forgot one, taxes, NZ pays quite a chunk more in taxes than we do and Australia a bit more.


I've seen this repeated many times - and it is due to the fact that most comparisons only count national tax burdens.  The United States has an incredible amount of state and local taxes as well that must be included.

Here's the Wiki version - which lists the American tax burden at 24 to 26% of GDP.  Now let's check with the President's Office of Management and Budget:  Table 15.1—Total Government Receipts in Absolute Amounts and as Percentages of GDP: 1948–2011

We see the revenues have been as high as 30.6% of GDP, and in the past decade averaged 27%.  Since the real American government burden is total spending (as borrowing is in essence a form of hidden taxation, let's check that out as well:

Table 15.3—Total Government Expenditures as Percentages of GDP: 1948–2011

This has been as high as 37% of GDP, and in the past decade has averaged 33%.

Another source of total tax burden is:  

Tax Foundation


They publish their Tax Freedom Day ® annually, which calculates the total tax burden as a percentage of income.  Based on taxes, this date was April 17 this year, and based on total spending it was May 14.  This represents 30% and 37% of the total income of all Americans - not just the tax rate, but the total average burden upon all taxpayers.

This is an unbelievably heavy burden - and really illustrates how far off those charts and tables are that seem to indicate that Americans do not pay high tax rates.

It appears that the various local, state and national governments of the United States have figured out how to spread the forms of taxes out in such a way that the total burden is difficult to calculate.  They have achieved that age old taxman's dream:

“The art of taxation consists in so plucking the goose as to obtain the largest possible amount of feathers with the smallest possible amount of hissing”  Jean Baptiste Colbert, Minister of Finance under King Louis IV of France

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House Republicans say new U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) guidelines aimed at forcing students to eat fruits and vegetables are a failure because students across the country are simply tossing the healthy fare into the trash.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/263069-republicans-say-students-throwing-away-vegetables-usda-is-trying-to-force-them-to-eat
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Sorta like "cash for clunkers" when all those very usable vehicles got trashed.
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Yup.  Now the prices of used vehicles in alaska is so high that the kids can't buy them without taking out a loan.
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Reply to katie5445 (08/01/2012 10:26 AM)

I forgot one, taxes, NZ pays quite a chunk more in taxes than we do and Australia a bit more.


I've seen this repeated many times - and it is due to the fact that most comparisons only count national tax burdens.  The United States has an incredible amount of state and local taxes as well that must be included.

Here's the Wiki version - which lists the American tax burden at 24 to 26% of GDP.  Now let's check with the President's Office of Management and Budget:  Table 15.1—Total Government Receipts in Absolute Amounts and as Percentages of GDP: 1948–2011

We see the revenues have been as high as 30.6% of GDP, and in the past decade averaged 27%.  Since the real American government burden is total spending (as borrowing is in essence a form of hidden taxation, let's check that out as well:

Table 15.3—Total Government Expenditures as Percentages of GDP: 1948–2011

This has been as high as 37% of GDP, and in the past decade has averaged 33%.

Another source of total tax burden is:  

Tax Foundation


They publish their Tax Freedom Day ® annually, which calculates the total tax burden as a percentage of income.  Based on taxes, this date was April 17 this year, and based on total spending it was May 14.  This represents 30% and 37% of the total income of all Americans - not just the tax rate, but the total average burden upon all taxpayers.

This is an unbelievably heavy burden - and really illustrates how far off those charts and tables are that seem to indicate that Americans do not pay high tax rates.

It appears that the various local, state and national governments of the United States have figured out how to spread the forms of taxes out in such a way that the total burden is difficult to calculate.  They have achieved that age old taxman's dream:

“The art of taxation consists in so plucking the goose as to obtain the largest possible amount of feathers with the smallest possible amount of hissing”  Jean Baptiste Colbert, Minister of Finance under King Louis IV of France

That isn't different than most other countries, they pay local, state, Social Security although they call it something else. Plus VAT, NZ at 12.5% and Australia at 10%, my state I pay zip in sales tax.

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New Zealand looks nice, as does Australia.  There are other possibilities, as well. 

Is there any injustice you are unwilling to tolerate... so long as it's unka sam doing it?


Not sure you'd like Australia, Alaska.  High tax rate, socialized medicine, major nanny government both locally and nationally.  Cost of living is outrageous.  A pound of grapes...$12.00..that's just one example.  A basic dinner of say Chinese food and a glass of wine (for a couple) will run you around $75.00 over there.  My hometown....dinner for two and two glasses of wine around $45.00....and with food to take home.  It's gorgeous, but I find it to be very "Stepfordish" for a better word.  If you are considering immigrating there, you have to prove you can pay your own way...including healthcare....especially if you are older.
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My sister, currently in N.Z. working on the Hobbit and the next superman movie, says the same;  food and healthcare are outrageous.

Odd considering the number of sheep in N.Z.  You'd think at least mutton would be cheap.

I once lived on a motor yacht, a smallish one... only 40ft.  I've often thought about returning to that life...
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My husband has been traveling to Australia on business back and forth for a while now, and while it's a beautiful country....it's just too expensive.  We have several friends retiring over there, but their dollars will not go as far as ours will if we stay in the U.S. and just traveling.  I hear you though, we have seriously debated moving somewhere else...even Australia, but I am not giving up on the U.S.A.  We have though opened up a bank account in Australia and are putting some money over there...perfectly legal.

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