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Date Posted:10/01/2018 9:00 PMCopy HTML

I was trying to diagram humanity and its cultures and civilizations. I let the piece of paper represent a common ancestry. I let it further represent a map of the world. In so doing my blank page came to be everything universally true…universally common among pre-historic humans, and universally inclusive of the environments available to us as we went forth being fruitful. Toward the bottom left I drew a good sized circle representing southern Africa. I drew horizontal oval for the Sahara region, an odd shaped horizontal oval with some southerly bulges to include much of Northern Africa, the Upper and lower Nile Basin, basically all of the Mediterranean watershed. I circled the Levant, the big Asian river basins. I drew a series of circles across the northern portions of Eurasia. Basically, I sort of circled environments that corresponded with early human cultures. All of these circles (shapes, really) overlap along the way in a manner that might represent trade in the form of cultural practices, technological innovations, and both material and population surpluses.

My musing is based on the idea that we spread out all over the easily accessible globe, as near as I can tell, long before any of us really managed to build civilizations; but long before we built civilizations we were establishing thousands of micro- societies and cultures throughout the Old World, Oceana, and eventually even the New World. It’s almost certain that as we went forth being fruitful, we went as small tribal or social groups, likely with some not quite but still-threatening Alpha leading a culled collection of ragtag followers away from a stultifying asshole-in-chief. For thousands of years we either ganged up on the asshole and killed him, or some competent individual or two grunted something akin to “Fuck it!” and lead a disgruntled assembly of clan mates to a new home. We spread across the globe disgruntled with the old boss but taking with us the old ways. Long before civilizations began to spring up, before agriculture was developed, we populated the world as damned smart apes all living very similar hunter/gatherer lifestyles…in vastly differing environments.

Somewhere in here, because evolution never sleeps, some of our traits begin to suit themselves to our disparate environments, but our basic anatomy remains the same and especially the fundamental structures of our brains. The hardware is fundamentally the same across the species though time and environment may select for better sprint speed or chase duration. Gathering wild rice might select for shorter and apples for taller. Solar intensity might select for variations in skin tones. Etc., etc., etc. Environment might cause social appreciation to vary, distributing more or less status to individuals for things ranging from creativity to strength to adventurousness. Who knows? One thing that is theorized, though, is that somewhere in here we begin to co-select not just for best at survival of the individual, but also for the well-being of the various social systems that are sustaining our various broadening societies into more and more advanced cultures.

The blank page I started with above is developed into the places that made us how we are physically different. How we are socially different is based on the fact that we then developed societies and cultures apart from one another. How we are psychologically different is based on our experience being reared in such a variety of cultures. All of our cultures fill similar needs for those raised within them because we all share similar physical needs and similar biological and neurological hardware. Top down we’re very much the same. Bottom up requires a whole other perspective on circles.


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Date Posted:10/02/2018 2:45 PMCopy HTML

Interesting.


Ever read, "Connections", by James Burke?

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Date Posted:10/02/2018 3:37 PMCopy HTML

Not yet, but it's in the q.


I'm not sure how accurate my op is, but it's pretty close to how I understand it. 


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Date Posted:10/02/2018 7:38 PMCopy HTML

Works for me, govols. Matrilineal dna for me goes back to Africa, to a community of white people that emigrated to Crete, to Italy, France, Finland, and Ireland. Following the dna to one of the daughters of eve. At some point I just lost the faith, felt the test was a huge scam on curious people.
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Date Posted:10/02/2018 8:33 PMCopy HTML

I've never really had much interest in the DNA thing, nor ever attempted to question family elders about how far back our ancestral memory goes. We're mostly British stock as far as I know, but damn were those islands swarmed a few times, or what? If science has it right we're all Africans anyway, but I'm a Southern Appalachian myself. The hills and foothills of the Smokey Mountains and the Tennessee River valley is where my roots draw sustenance. 


Still, history is still worth exploring...


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For years, I was a verify, verify, verify family history researcher, and I discovered, uncovered some pretty cool stories of interest, which come to mind during conversations every now and then, and in political set them straight debates with strangers once in a while. Research interests ended for some inexplicable reason, just felt no further obligation; if family wants more they can find it, so people only get what I remember starting with my parents back eight generations, cause I didn’t want to leave anyone out on the way to the royals in Europe who are well documented. I’ve several Royal lines, but only one that I have fully researched and that was because I was looking for the error, or paid cheat who tricked up the family tree......people copy and paste with ease many false trees because they don’t concern themselves with sources. It doesn’t annoy me because I use them as an outline to find well sourced family connections. RootsWeb was immensely helpful and easy to use, sorting them out, and it’s still free.
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I grew up believing I had an Irish/English heritage. I did the dna a thing and found out that there was little to no Irish in my dna. I was however 36% Italian with over 5000 dna hits in southern Italy. My dear wife is now calling me her Italian stallion...
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All that can be interesting and fun.  What we need, really, is a wayback machine!

The Toba eruption has been linked to a genetic bottleneck in human evolution about 70,000 years ago,[28][29]  which may have resulted from a severe reduction in the size of the total human population due to the effects of the eruption on the global climate.[30] According to the genetic bottleneck theory, between 50,000 and 100,000 years ago, human populations sharply decreased to 3,000–10,000 surviving individuals.[31][32] It is supported by some genetic evidence suggesting that today's humans are descended from a very small population of between 1,000 and 10,000 breeding pairs that existed about 70,000 years ago.[33][scientific citation needed]

Toba catastrophe theory - Wikipedia

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There’s no such thing as humanity. At present, as has ever been, there is only us and them. It may one day be otherwise, but for now we remain us and them.


Think for a moment about life as a pre-historic, pre-agricultural human. In theory we were social animals even prior to our being “modern man.” We lived as our ancestors had, in small groups, nomadic but territorial, mostly communal but still within an “Alpha”-style social structure—a dominance hierarchy. Archaeology suggests (to the extent that I understand it) that we never experienced anything approaching egalitarian societies until we’d invented spears and cooperative hunting techniques. Until we had the means of preying on animals that were stronger than us we remained prey even to our own communities’ strongest members. We still left our weak to die, and some excavations show malnourishment existing right alongside the fairly well fed. The fit fed and the less fit fed less. We were always social, and always had hierarchies, but—God help us—it wasn’t until we invented weapons that our hierarchies moved from dominance alone toward competence. We didn’t become communal until we came to value the stone chipper who created the spear point as much as we valued the spear chucker. The earliest humans were gangs of advanced apes that left their weak behind and who groveled at the feet of their alphas; the earliest people were those who made leaders of those who would feed last rather than first. Those were the people who created communities.


Ponder the globe at present minus ten or fifteen thousand years. Communities exist all over the world, but not yet societies. We’re pre-agriculture tribes of hunter-gatherers. Picture a few hundred roving gangs of stone-age free shit warriors attempting to rape and pillage thousands of communities spanning most of the habitable world. Picture overlapping migration patterns among the various tribes. Consider the possibility of kinships forming, not only by spin-offs from one large tribe into related tribes, but also by way of territorial association. Consider how clans might form not only through blood but by diplomacy—by consolidating shared territory into shared practices and traditions. Imagine the manners by which disparate communities and tribes, sharing proximity, might negotiate common sets of acceptable behaviors in order to manage the cultivation of society itself. Imagine the invention of “manners.” Select a random environment anywhere on the planet, populate it with us and them, and then consider the heroic efforts required by a few individuals to make the attempt at moving among them all. Culture predates history, but it doesn’t predate earliest attempts at us/them interaction.


Us/them. A human constant…thus far, at least. We're still doing it. 


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Date Posted:10/12/2018 9:24 PMCopy HTML

Us them is nationalism. Nationalism is a bad thing in global interaction. The east west center in Hawaii failed miserably because nations sent their most ardent nationalists. The United Nations has a similar problem. However, the east west center has not dissolved and neither has the U.N. Not sure what you mean by there’s no such thing as humanity, but I know we’re a work in progress. We may not have the lifespan to grow up, yet.
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"Humanity" suggests a sort of universiality among us that doesn't exist. Maybe a "yet" applies there, but maybe not. 


What makes nationalism bad? What makes globalism preferable?

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It’s when we ignore global issues, happy in our national pride, that war knocks on the door. We have plenty of universals. Unfortunately, some of them don’t share or play well with others.
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Date Posted:10/14/2018 11:38 PMCopy HTML

What are the universals, do you think?

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