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alaskaone | |
Date Posted:02/18/2014 6:26 AMCopy HTML While trying to comprehend our friend, NFF, I stumbled upon the following essay: https://medium.com/editors-picks/29bab88d50 . Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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WRS10 | Share to: #1 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:02/18/2014 6:31 AMCopy HTML Link please!
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alaskaone | Share to: #2 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:02/18/2014 6:41 AMCopy HTML Sorry, hadn't quite finished...
Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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shiftless2 | Share to: #3 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:02/18/2014 6:40 PMCopy HTML Reply to alaskaone (02/18/2014 12:26 AM) 1) What would happen if labor/reward were separated? Wellfare? [b]"There is not enough love and goodness in the world to permit giving any of it away to imaginary beings."[/b] ~ Friedrich Nietzsche
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Punkoidragon | Share to: #4 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:02/18/2014 11:54 PMCopy HTML see the movie "Wall-E" humans would devolve into blobs of meaty-shit cared for by machines Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.
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alaskaone | Share to: #5 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:02/19/2014 6:39 AMCopy HTML Reply to shiftless2 (02/18/2014 9:40 AM) Reply to alaskaone (02/18/2014 12:26 AM) 1) What would happen if labor/reward were separated? Wellfare? Yes, sort of. The postulation was, however, that there were no longer any real limits upon either products or services... you can get whatever you want or need by telling your 3d printer to make it or having a robot do what you need done. So would it matter at all? Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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alaskaone | Share to: #6 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:02/19/2014 6:49 AMCopy HTML Reply to Punkoidragon (02/18/2014 2:54 PM)
see the movie "Wall-E" Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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katie5445 | Share to: #7 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:02/19/2014 5:28 PMCopy HTML
Why are you working at a crappy job you don't like, you've had opportunity for decades, why didn't you further your education in another area, lot of people work and go to school and have families. Isn't that part of the conservative mantra? Youv'e disappointed me and turned into a liberal whinger.
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nofencesfacing | Share to: #8 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:02/19/2014 6:01 PMCopy HTML On the other hand... what if it was? Would it work? How would it work? What would go wrong?
There would still be like you who say one thing, to cause trouble, and then do another, enjoy a free ride. These are the very same questions I was asking and you disagreed with the questions, blaming the government that you work for. |
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Punkoidragon | Share to: #9 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:02/19/2014 11:56 PMCopy HTML another problem with the "post-scarcity" utopia. Some people LIKE causing problems for other people. They steal and vandalize peoples things, not because they are poor or they need something, but because they like to harm other people. What would be the effect of such a world on people like that? Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.
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alaskaone | Share to: #10 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:02/20/2014 4:03 AMCopy HTML Reply to katie5445 (02/19/2014 8:28 AM) Why are you working at a crappy job you don't like, you've had opportunity for decades, why didn't you further your education in another area, lot of people work and go to school and have families. Isn't that part of the conservative mantra? Youv'e disappointed me and turned into a liberal whinger. A job sucks. People don't like to do jobs that suck. In order to get people to do jobs that suck, lots of compensation has to be offered. Lots of compensation is what I get. In fact, I make more than most every college educated person I know and I do not have to contribute to social security which means that even if I decide to latch onto the social security tit, there won't be much in there for me to suck out of poor peoples pockets. Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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alaskaone | Share to: #11 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:02/20/2014 4:10 AMCopy HTML Reply to Punkoidragon (02/19/2014 2:56 PM) another problem with the "post-scarcity" utopia. Some people LIKE causing problems for other people. They steal and vandalize peoples things, not because they are poor or they need something, but because they like to harm other people. What would be the effect of such a world on people like that? We would be removing 'poor', remember? Tell the 3d printer what you want and there it is. Seems reasonable to speculate that property crimes would dwindle a great deal. At anyrate, someone steals your TV, tell the 3d printer to build you a new one. It costs nothing, after all. As for sociopaths... we kill them when we find them... same as now. Juvenile delinquents... same thing we do now. Throw them in jail or take them away from their parents. One possible problem... things that cost nothing are worth nothing. Would people just trash everything as is the case in public housing? Hard to say. I take good care of my stuff, hard to imagine that would change merely because I could print up something for free... especially if I could print up, say, a super-cub or a fine bicycle. Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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alaskaone | Share to: #12 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:02/20/2014 4:14 AMCopy HTML Reply to nofencesfacing (02/19/2014 9:01 AM)
On the other hand... what if it was? Would it work? How would it work? What would go wrong? There would still be like you who say one thing, to cause trouble, and then do another, enjoy a free ride. These are the very same questions I was asking and you disagreed with the questions, blaming the government that you work for. Come to the Dark Side.
We have cookies.
The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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nofencesfacing | Share to: #13 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:02/20/2014 4:10 PMCopy HTML A couple days ago, I took two solid strikes to the groin and got spit on while stripping out a suicidal drunk. So, NFF, take your 'free ride', fold it up until it's all sharp corners and stick it up your ass. LOL. You can not even handle one drunk? Then you come back at me with you tuff talk. LOL. Maybe if you ate regularly, learn to control that temper of yours and got a real job in the real world then you could toughen up. Once you have done that then you could come down to And work on your reading comprehension. You are the one who cannot comprehend. But slowly you are starting to understand some points of economic. You now know what the true national debt is. Soon you may be saying we should follow the Keynesian Theory of running a surplus during boom times to build up a surplus, control economic bubbles, and learn to enjoy living in deflation economy. |
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tommytalldog | Share to: #14 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:02/20/2014 8:19 PMCopy HTML AK, now back in my day we would have beat the snot outta this miscreant & made him do the funky chicken. We called it wall ball. Now with the cameras the good ol days are just that..........sigh. T-Dog Live respected, die regretted
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Punkoidragon | Share to: #15 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:02/21/2014 12:46 AMCopy HTML Reply to alaskaone (02/19/2014 10:10 PM) Reply to Punkoidragon (02/19/2014 2:56 PM) another problem with the "post-scarcity" utopia. Some people LIKE causing problems for other people. They steal and vandalize peoples things, not because they are poor or they need something, but because they like to harm other people. What would be the effect of such a world on people like that? We would be removing 'poor', remember? Tell the 3d printer what you want and there it is. Seems reasonable to speculate that property crimes would dwindle a great deal. At anyrate, someone steals your TV, tell the 3d printer to build you a new one. It costs nothing, after all. As for sociopaths... we kill them when we find them... same as now. Juvenile delinquents... same thing we do now. Throw them in jail or take them away from their parents. One possible problem... things that cost nothing are worth nothing. Would people just trash everything as is the case in public housing? Hard to say. I take good care of my stuff, hard to imagine that would change merely because I could print up something for free... especially if I could print up, say, a super-cub or a fine bicycle.
I also think your missing my point about sociopaths. They LIKE to hurt people. They will look for new ways to do it. Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.
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Punkoidragon | Share to: #16 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:02/23/2014 12:50 AMCopy HTML
I know its long, but it's a 2 hour documentary about exactly what this thread is about. And there's even a segment about 3d printers at 41:44. They show a program that people have made a 3d Printer that can be made on a 3d printer. Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.
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Nickel | Share to: #17 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:02/27/2014 4:20 AMCopy HTML We'd be more artistic, musical, intelligent. Kindness would prevail and peace would rule the planet...song lyric alert. What goes around, comes around.
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katie5445 | Share to: #18 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:02/27/2014 2:09 PMCopy HTML
How is welfare generational any longer when you have had a limit since 1996 of 5 yrs.?
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tommytalldog | Share to: #19 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:02/27/2014 6:53 PMCopy HTML That is just for federal programs. T-Dog Live respected, die regretted
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Punkoidragon | Share to: #20 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:02/27/2014 11:38 PMCopy HTML There's a endless stream of welfare programs. Welfare, Wic, Social Security, Disability, Unemployement, Cobra, Food Stamps, Blah Blah Blah BLah Blah Blah. You can bounce back and forth from one to the next from the day your born till the day you die, and there's even ways to cheat the system and draw benefits much longer than what your "allowed" to.
Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.
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katie5445 | Share to: #21 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:02/28/2014 12:10 AMCopy HTML
Cobra? That's out, it's expensive. Bounce back and forth, right. The only way a person can bounce and live is working cash under the table, child support undeclared or crashing at a relatives/friends and claiming rent when there is none paid, claiming so and so babysits gets the cash when in actually they don't work, cheating. Welfare is impossible to live on since 1996 federal or otherwise.
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tommytalldog | Share to: #22 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:02/28/2014 4:27 AMCopy HTML C'mon Katie, & then there are the state, county & local programs to meld with the feds. And then of course there is Portlandia where young people go to retire.......that gluten free city of Prius driving recyclers. T-Dog Live respected, die regretted
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nofencesfacing | Share to: #23 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:02/28/2014 3:13 PMCopy HTML Not in Texas.
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katie5445 | Share to: #24 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:02/28/2014 3:41 PMCopy HTML Reply to tommytalldog (02/27/2014 8:27 PM) C'mon Katie, & then there are the state, county & local programs to meld with the feds. And then of course there is Portlandia where young people go to retire.......that gluten free city of Prius driving recyclers. T-Dog What programs are those? |
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Nickel | Share to: #25 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:03/01/2014 2:31 PMCopy HTML Take on corporate welfare, first!
What goes around, comes around.
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Punkoidragon | Share to: #26 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:03/02/2014 4:59 AMCopy HTML they only way to do that is passage of the fair tax. No loop holes, everyone pays the same amount.
Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.
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oldarmybear | Share to: #27 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:03/02/2014 5:13 PMCopy HTML Early in this thread there was a reference to the use of machines will turn us all into blobs of fat. I can guarantee you that my personal trainer will not allow that to happen to me. I call her "The Pain Nazi"
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alaskaone | Share to: #28 |
Re:Post scarcity Date Posted:06/13/2018 3:08 AMCopy HTML In the very near future, governments will lose the ability to keep guns, drones, and other forbidden goods out of the hands of their subjects. They'll also be rendered impotent to enforce trade and technology embargoes. Power is shifting from the state to individuals and small groups courtesy of additive manufacturing—aka 3D printing—technology. Additive manufacturing is poised to revolutionize whole industries—destroying some jobs while creating new opportunities. That's according to a recent report from the prestigious RAND Corporation, and there's plenty of evidence to support the dynamic and "disruptive" view of the future that the report promises. Cont... You’ll Soon Be Able to Manufacture Anything You Want and Governments Will Be Powerless to Stop It Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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