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Date Posted：11/28/2013 1:30 PMCopy HTML The FBI has been running an international and multi-departmental hunt for children being held as sex slaves. That's a pretty righteous and laudable goal, is it not? I mean, that's the sort of thing I would like to think my tax dollars are going toward... rather than most of what my tax money actually goes for. Come to the Dark Side.
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There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：11/28/2013 2:39 PMCopy HTML Such huge differences between Infant, Toddler, Kids, Pre-Teens, Teens, and Young Adults, yet all summed up with the word "child". It's for the children Alaska, why wont you please think of the children? Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：11/28/2013 3:36 PMCopy HTML
If they are under 18 they are a minor child, period.
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：11/28/2013 7:59 PMCopy HTML lol
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：11/29/2013 12:38 AMCopy HTML Reply to katie5445 (11/28/2013 6:36 AM) If they are under 18 they are a minor child, period. As it pertains to drinking, yes. However, I do believe most states have other ideas when it comes to sexual activity... thus the phrases; "15 will get you twenty" and the ever popular, "jail bait". When someone speaks of 'child prostitution', what comes to mind is as PD implied... a child, not young adults. Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：11/29/2013 1:12 AMCopy HTML sign up for the military? 17 smoking? 18 get an abortion? 16 have sex? 16-18 depending on jurisdiction* alcohol? 21 vote? 18 actually physically an adult? 12-19 driving? 16 emancipation from parents? 16 become president? 35 *most states allow much younger teens to engage in sex, but only with others of the same age give or take 1 year. Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：11/29/2013 3:27 PMCopy HTML
I don't consider minors adults of any kind.
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：11/30/2013 1:10 AMCopy HTML yet teens are not the same thing as "children". When the fbi spends what was probably millions upon millions of dollars rounding up adult prostitutes with an occasional 17 year old thrown in, I question whether what use the fbi is. We either need local police or fbi to enforce misdemeaner local laws, not both. As alaskas article illustrates, if adult prostitution was completely legal, adult prostitutes would be more forthcoming in pointing out minor prostitution. The FBI pretending to be doing something about it is counter-productive to that goal. There target was adult prostitutes, a few teens, who by all sane reasoning are indistinguishable from 18 y/o prostitutes just happened to be found. Instead of being arrested they were "liberated". yay......... Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：11/30/2013 4:10 PMCopy HTML
They are children other than physically if not, they can get the hell out at 11 get a job like the rest of us instead of being dependent, just bypass parenting of teenagers, hmmm not a bad idea. Actually at best teens are dumb and immature and as a parent of three of them thought they needed far more parenting/advice/guidance than that 11 y.o.
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：11/30/2013 5:11 PMCopy HTML
Another option would be retro-active abortions, which the mother could exercise up to her whelps age of 21. That way we could weed out the known riff-raff rather than guessing right after conception. The hind sight thingy.
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：11/30/2013 5:15 PMCopy HTML
It might head towards zero population growth, teens are evil, manipulative little liars, who think of only one thing, themselves. Many tend not to grow out of till they are past 30, mostly men.
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：11/30/2013 6:57 PMCopy HTML
Based on the current crop of the wasted sperm generation, zero population growth might not be a bad idea. Besides, I already "got mine" so to hell with everyone else.
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：11/30/2013 7:13 PMCopy HTML
Your attitude comes from reading/watching the negative. I didn't mean dumb intelligent wise, I meant dumb lifewise, which there is no doubt they are ignorant in that area, just thinking they are adults makes them ignorant and someone thinking they are, insane.
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：11/30/2013 8:34 PMCopy HTML
Ignorance is not fatal, but ya can't fix stupidity.
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：12/01/2013 1:40 AMCopy HTML Reply to Punkoidragon (11/28/2013 5:12 PM) sign up for the military? 17 smoking? 18 get an abortion? 16 have sex? 16-18 depending on jurisdiction* alcohol? 21 vote? 18 actually physically an adult? 12-19 driving? 16 emancipation from parents? 16 become president? 35 *most states allow much younger teens to engage in sex, but only with others of the same age give or take 1 year. Sign up with the military, with mommy and daddy's permission. Abortion at 16 without parental knowledge or approval, 10 states, emancipation from parents, rare, phyiscal development, who cares, some 12 y.o. have a great body already, some 25 y.o. do not, it does not mean you are an adult. Have sex as a teenager, millions don't bother with that law do they, until one is major and one minor, then the parents or the law might. Driving, now that's a difficult endeavor, the rest of your list are over 18 and 35 is way past. |
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：12/01/2013 5:54 AMCopy HTML my point was that age restrictions are oftentimes arbitrary, and that there is a VAST difference between a "child" being sold into sex slavery (almost always by its parents), and a "teenager" who has become a prostitute for no difference in reason than a 20 year old. The FBI screwed up and wasted funds and resources promised to rescue actual children from a hell on earth, and wasted it going after adult age prostitutes and hiding their incompetence by calling a small handful of them, barely under an arbitrary legal age, "children". Apparently you support such disgusting ineptitudeness. Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：12/01/2013 4:16 PMCopy HTML
Hundreds of thousands of kids go missing every year that have not been sold by their parents. A missing 15 y.o. and a missing 5 y.o. doesn't feel any different to the parent when it is their child, yes the word is child. This 'article' doesn't "prove" the FBI screwed up, just Alaska and some strange websites say they screwed up, not impressed.
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：12/02/2013 12:33 AMCopy HTML "Hundreds of thousands of kids go missing every year that have not been sold by their parents."
I'm not impressed. Hundreds of thousands? Seriously? World wide, possibly, but keep in mind that 'go missing' includes a variety of possibilities including, "ran away", "eaten by lions" or "fell down a well". That this task force, all the agencies involved in it, are using a pretense to shake down prostitutes and their customers really ought to concern you if for no other reason than the corruption aspect. Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：12/02/2013 12:53 AMCopy HTML Katie, the children being sold into sex slavery, most by their parents, some by kidnappers, are not what the FBI is looking for in this case. That would be great if they were. No, they are Focused on adult prostitution, under a guise of looking for children. Also, I agree with Alaska, most of the missing children are run aways, kidnapped and sold to misguided adoptive parents, eaten by wolves, held as slaves in factories and farms etc etc. All horrible, and all cases I would prefer, by a WIDE margin, that the FBI was looking into rather than cracking down on common whores, pimps, and johns. Instead, the FBI plays make believe and goes after victimless criminals for no other reason that they can bolster their arrest statistics over local police agencies. Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：12/02/2013 4:31 PMCopy HTML
Says who a pissed off prostitute and a blogger, still not impressed. I am for legalization of prostitution by the way.
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：12/02/2013 11:31 PMCopy HTML Reply to katie5445 (12/02/2013 7:31 AM) Says who a pissed off prostitute and a blogger, still not impressed. I am for legalization of prostitution by the way. I knew that you were. I'm curious, though. You found nothing the woman had to say plausible? Have you ever heard of the MS St. Louis? Probably not. It represents one of many shining moments in the history of the US federal government. The ship was full of refugees from Germany bound for Cuba. Cuba suddenly decided not to accept them so the ship set sail for the US seeking safe haven. FDR, that hero of (modern)liberal fascists everywhere, told them to fuck off and die... even going so far as to open fire on the ship. The refugees returned to Europe and, so far as I know, about 260 of them were slaughtered there. The rest managed to find other ways to flee. I suggest that, sometimes, it is a good idea to listen to those who have first hand knowledge of what's happening. I also suggest that it is generally a good idea to question authority and regard such with profound suspicion. Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：12/02/2013 11:58 PMCopy HTML
Americans have told many to "fuck off and die" including Jews and they weren't the first. Europeans told Jews to "fuck off and die" as well, especially Russian Jews who were returned to be exterminated. White majority likes or loves being the white majority and they also love to tell minority people to "fuck off and die." I have to believe bloggers, seriously, no I don't. Do I think they hassle prostitutes, of course. Are they serious about finding kids, also of course. Look, the federal govt. is made up of people from the general populution, some with good intentions, some not, just like cops, the military or even correction officers. To accuse a whole agency of wrongdoing on a bloggers testimony is just pure out wrong, naive and misinformed.
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：12/03/2013 2:58 AMCopy HTML I disagree.
You know what happens when small towns fund their police departments with traffic ticket revenue. You know what happens when towns give property seized from asset forfeiture laws to the police department doing the seizures. You know what happens when parking ticket fines go into the city's general fund. The same is true of the proceeds from shaking down prostitutes and johns. And you are quite right, most low level government thugs like myself are just trying to do a job and collect a paycheck. Yet I participate in the incarceration of prostitutes. I participate in the incarceration of recreational drug users. I totally oppose locking people up for those things but it's part of the package... I'm not allowed to do the job without doing all the job. Out on the street, if you're not issuing enough traffic tickets, you'll be talked to and it will be made clear that you need to make more stops. Why? Revenue. Same is true of prostitution... especially if an entrenched politician is up for re-election. Time to 'get tough on crime' and guess what? Burglars, vandals, gang bangers... they're kinda hard to find, plus they're a pain in the ass to arrest and sometimes they're dangerous. But prostitutes? Easy money. At the street level, they're easy to find. They're often stoned out of their minds and malnourished so they're no real trouble to arrest. You know this is the way the world goes round these days. Pretending it doesn't... I'm not sure I see the point in that? Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：12/03/2013 5:00 PMCopy HTML
So your'e low level, is that your excuse, your'e either part of the problem or part of the solution. You picked a 'side' and you made your choice, so you can disagree all you want, you can bitch all you want but there you are accepting everything you say you hate.
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：12/03/2013 6:40 PMCopy HTML
Exactly, Katie. A hypocrite of the worst kind. Of course lofty ideals lose elevation when stark reality rears its ugly head.
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：12/03/2013 7:05 PMCopy HTML I see.
Lobby against prohibition, point out corruption, point out the reality of 'get tough on crime' b.s. = accepting everything I hate. Simultaneously, blind acceptance and support of those things = resistance. I don't think I'll ever understand the bizarro world you two live in. However, given your ages, your positions do much to explain how it is we've gotten to where we're at in this country. No offense. Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：12/03/2013 11:12 PMCopy HTML
AK, age has something to do with positions on various topics. Experience is recognizing a mistake when you make it again. I have already seen my stark reality, your turn is down the road. I can tell you what will happen to you next.........but it ain't Purdy.
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：12/04/2013 12:47 AMCopy HTML good god people. Rescuing children who have been abducted and/or sold into child sex slavery = good. With me so far? go ahead and re-read that sentence If you feel it was too challenging, or go get a 10 year old to try to explain it to you. I am incapable of saying it any simpler that that. Ready? ok The fbi was not rescuing children in those circumstances, they weren't even trying to. Go ahead and move on at your own rate if there are too many big words or concepts in that last sentence, please move on to the next one when you are ready. If any words are too challenging for you, google is your friend. what the fbi was doing was harassing people who were harming no one but themselves. please take your time with that one, and make sure you truly are grasping the words that I am typing before moving to the next sentence. And on top of that, they, a federally funded organization I know this one is tough so i'll break it down into smaller parts. is going after people who are breaking minor local laws please take a break if this is too much for you, don't over exert yourself. and then claiming that they saved a bunch of "children", when they really didn't at all. Good Job! you made it to the end. You will be given a test on this later. Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：12/04/2013 11:14 AMCopy HTML Reply to tommytalldog (12/03/2013 2:12 PM) AK, age has something to do with positions on various topics. Experience is recognizing a mistake when you make it again. I have already seen my stark reality, your turn is down the road. I can tell you what will happen to you next.........but it ain't Purdy. If you're referring to the sudden appearance of hair in odd places... sure enough, it ain't purdy nor is this 'spare tire' that has developed dispite my best efforts. I run 2 miles every other day and eat like a goddamned bird but it seems invulnerable to such things. Doc says, 'you're 47, what do you expect?' Bastard. Actually, I was taking a swipe at the baby boomers in general, Tom, and it was an unfair swipe in that I included you and Katie. In point of fact, what's happening today is the result of the shenanigans of a small number of fascist shit for brains back in the 1930's. The baby boom generation is merely the mob whose existance will cause the system designed by those long dead morons to collapse. I'm merely irritated that so few boomers seem to have any concern or even concept of what is going to happen and why. I see all sorts of ugly coming down the road and is it not my duty as a citizen to warn others? Is it not my duty to point at ways to dodge the bullets? Messengers bearing bad tidings are seldom appreciated and usually strung up as an example for others. Doesn't change the nature of the message, though. Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：12/04/2013 12:07 PMCopy HTML
Your'e full of yourself. I'd take my life any day compared to those of the 30's or prior.
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Re：Propaganda vs. reality, cops vs. prostitutes Date Posted：12/04/2013 12:18 PMCopy HTML And you're just rude.
Guess we both have our problems. Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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