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Nickel
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Date Posted:02/13/2019 12:53 AMCopy HTML

Just watched Newsroom’s 2nd disc from Netflix, episode whatever, and realized Jane Fonda really is in it as the credits rolled.  God Bless America!  I will never, ever forgive her .....

I don’t know why she wasn’t tried for treason, she sure as HELL gave aid and comfort to the enemy.  I wish she would just quit trying......If that’s what she’s doing to make up for it.   


She belongs in prison for life.

I don’t care that she was young or any other excuse she or others come up with to absolve her of guilt.  Frankly, I don’t think she believes that she did anything wrong.


So, I will not finish watching Newsroom.  I will not watch that other series she is in which is quite popular.  I wish never to see her again, ever!

What goes around, comes around.
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Re:Some mistakes you never quit paying for......

Date Posted:02/13/2019 1:42 AMCopy HTML

I don't quite disagree with you, but I'm one of those who usually runs with the idea that if the congress hasn't found the balls to declare "literal" war against a nation, the government of the United States has no actual enemies on behalf of whom aid and comfort might be given. We're not at "war" and haven't been for about three generations. Treason requires enemies and the congress never bothered to actually defined any after WWII. 


Might be why out honored services haven't been able to outright win against anyone since then. They weren't given an actual enemy to defeat, but instead just ordered about the globe with some ambiguous mission to defend interests.

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Re:Some mistakes you never quit paying for......

Date Posted:02/14/2019 3:08 AMCopy HTML

Fonda was before my time... well, technically I was alive however my biggest concern was chasing Susie Segerstrom around the playground.


I have read about what fonda did and agree, it was reprehensible.  That does not aliviate the responsibility of the US federal governments reprehensible behavior toward Vietnam.  If you're going to go to war, at least have the fucking balls to say so. 


The history of ho chi min is quite interesting.  In point of fact, he pleaded for Vietnamese independance from France long before he joined up with the commies.  He was ignored by former colonies who should have been on his side (I'm looking at you, unka sam).  Finding no sympathy or allies there, he turned toward those who would help him;  the soviet union.


If we're going to be the good guys, then we need to act like the good guys.  When unka sam behaves like a two bit dime store thug, there are going to be consequences.

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Re:Some mistakes you never quit paying for......

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The Korean War was technically the Korean Conflict to some, but the monuments of both are generally referred to as the Vietnam War Memorial and the Korean War Monument in D.C. The families and friends of those who fought probably don’t give a damn what Congress chooses to call it. War is war and if the uniform is fighting for the country under military orders, it’s war.......despite the gutless politicians spreading jello for those opposed to war. It’s not even de facto war when citizens call it as they see it: war. When Jane was being unforgivable I was the mother of two sons, in my early 20’s, and getting letters from Vietnam when those guys weren’t stopping by our place in base housing on leave to and from the fighting. I was watching the war footage on television every night......some images never fade. I can’t tell you how extremely disappointing the movies were that used it merely as a setting to say something heart of darkness. Well, the possible exception being We Were Soldiers......that went a long way to helping me breathe. I am amazed at myself for holding such a feeling against her for all these years, but there it is. People who think they know it all at such a young age are common, but when they influence others, and who knows how many died as a result, lost hope, quit the fight and suffered thinking they were wrong to help people remain free of communism. Circling the political enemy state with allies is a strategy...... You may not recall Kruschev was going to bury us.....another vivid image thanks to television news. You must have seen clips of Hitler, Kruschev’s was similar. After Sputnik, we had in addition to fire drills, drills to the school basement where we had to sit facing a wall and cover our heads. People were building bunkers in their way backyards. So, my frame of reference is different. I’m not sure why when it became known that pushing a button could end the World was a relief, but it made bunkers and basement drills laughable, and that’s something. That preparedness of fear, never ending, being reminded at intervals can really grind life away the sheer wonder of its pleasures. So, it’s more like the inevitable death that we forget about in the pursuit of happiness.
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Re:Some mistakes you never quit paying for......

Date Posted:02/22/2019 6:07 PMCopy HTML

I recall some of the cold war paranoia, and am familiar with some near nuclear incidents... where the world was saved by Soviet officers deciding, on their own, not to launch despite what their equipment and their procedures told them to do. The Kruschev 'we will bury you', was a propaganda masterpiece. The actual translation of what he said was more accurately, 'we will outlast you'... which is entirely different.
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Re:Some mistakes you never quit paying for......

Date Posted:02/25/2019 1:40 AMCopy HTML

As it turns out, a better literal translation of his words would have been, ‘We will be present when you are buried.’ This was actually a pretty common saying in Soviet Russia. What Khrushchev really meant was, ‘We will outlast you.’ It was just the usual ‘communism is better than capitalism’ posturing that went on all the time in the Cold War, but thanks to misinterpretations...Americans thought Khrushchev was threatening to literally bury us in the rubble of a nuclear attack.”

I grew up in the 1950s, when we practiced “duck and cover” drills at school and families were building fallout shelters in their back yards in the hopes of surviving the expected nuclear showdown with Russia. 

I tend to think the modern take on Khrushchev’s most (in)famous quote overlooks something. 

In 1956, the nuclear arms race and the threat of nuclear war were real and taken very seriously. 

“We shall be present at your funeral” or “We shall outlive you” or any of the other “better” translations that are now suggested would probably have sounded just as hostile and threatening to most Americans.

So the fact that “We will bury you” may have been a mistranslation, misquote or misunderstanding, while interesting, may also be moot. 

The concern caused by Khrushchev’s use of the words “My vas pokhoronim” would likely have been the same in the US regardless of the translation.

Of course, six years later, during the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, we found out Khrushchev didn’t actually have the sharries to start a nuclear war with the U.S.

He backed down after President John F. Kennedy threatened to push the button first if the Soviets refused to remove the nuclear missiles they had secretly shipped to Cuba.

I don’t know what Kennedy said to Khrushchev behind the scenes during that high stakes game of Cold War brinksmanship. 

But I suspect it might have been something along the lines of “We will bury you.”


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Re:Some mistakes you never quit paying for......

Date Posted:02/25/2019 2:01 AMCopy HTML

Kruschev waited three whole years to clarify his comment, as if anyone in the country could change their view of him by then.....just seemed like pathetic backpedaling. The movie Enemy at the Gate altered my view of him as a person, and I was sorry that he and the Soviet Union was at odds with us. Turns out they were even more at odds with each other and we outlasted them. Russia seems to be having another go at it.....
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