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alaskaone
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Date Posted:09/28/2017 2:53 AMCopy HTML

Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico have much in common when it comes to grievances against the federal government.  Large among those grievances is the pernicious jones act.


As Gary Galles noted here in Mises Daily, Hawaii, as part of the US's domestic market, is heavily restricted by the Jones Act. The Jones Act restricts the nature and extent of shipping that can take place in and out of American ports. Galles writes: 

Jones Act costs are made clearest in Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and Alaska, where it most severely limits supply lines.

In 2014, shipping a forty-foot container from Los Angeles to Honolulu reportedly cost more than ten times shipping it to Singapore. Dependent on Jones Act shipped petroleum for three-quarters of its electricity generation, Hawaii’s electricity prices are almost double the next most expensive state.

A 2012 report found that sending a container of household goods from the east coast to Puerto Rico cost more than double that to nearby Santo Domingo. A GAO study found that some Puerto Rico companies had shifted sourcing from America to Canada, due to cost savings from escaping Jones Act restrictions.


Is this 1917 law suffocating Puerto Rico's economy? | PBS NewsHour

Hawaii, Alaska, territories team up on Jones Act - Washington Times

The last election showed us that the elites down south have no clue about anything.  It's hard to believe but it appears to be true.  So, here's some information for the folks down south who are wondering what the heck is going on.

We hate you.  Oh, not you personally, but yes... we hate you.  Perhaps now that you are aware of this, maybe you'll start wondering why?  The idiotic morons among you will comfort yourselves with the usual shit;  we're stupid or ignorant or racists or misogynists or whatever it is you tell yourselves.

But not all y'all are stupid.  At least a few you are truly unaware that there is a problem.    Now you know there is a problem and a good example of the nature of the problem is found in the Jones act.  The jones act characterizes much of the abuse we've taken from you fine folks down south.

Start treating us fairly and we'll stop wishing y'all would bugger off.



It's hard to imagine a more vivid example of the notion of concentrated benefits and dispersed costs than the Jones Act, a 97-year-old Mercantilist garbage-law that requires all ships traveling between U.S. ports to be totally American, which in practice means everything on U.S. islands (including hurricane relief) is way more expensive than it should be. As free-trader Scott Lincicome quickly tabulated, "At best, it's 1400 workers in Jones Act shipping in/around PR (GAO 2013) vs 3.4 MILLION suffering Puerto Ricans." The moral calculus is hideous.

It's easy to blame Trump, because those words did tumble out of his protectionist mouth, and his Department of Homeland Security has already announced its opposition to waiving the Act after Hurricane Maria (though there are reports the White House is wavering). But the lure and/or sway of concentrated benefits does not require politicians to have 19th century notions of trade. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), an ardent free-trader in rhetoric, is a grubby protectionist in practice when it comes to the all-powerful sugar lobby in Florida. Politicians are incentivized to please local constituents, and avoid getting on the wrong side of heavily motivated lobbies with deep pockets.

If Rubio can't stare down Big Sugar, and Trump can't translate his version of populism into helping an actual population of suffering people instead of a withering industry, how on earth will they locate the courage to overhaul the tax code?

Jones Act Protectionism Is Why Tax Reform Is Probably Doomed to Fail

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Re:The jones act

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 That is one of the dumbest laws of all times.  If the current situation in Puerto Rico doesn't stimulate action to repeal, nothing ever will.

Comment: Part of the present problem in Washington is the lack of compromise. Response: It's always better for the bully when the bullied does not resist, isn't it?
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I don't anticipate renewal.  AK & HI don't have the numbers to fight.  Puerto Rico and the the other islands don't even get to vote.
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Financially the Jones Act may be madness but when all those US sailors are thrown out of a job will its repeal still be politically popular?
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Puerto Rico: Trump lifts shipping ban for storm-hit island

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41431138
28 September 2017

US President Donald Trump has lifted shipping restrictions to help fuel and supplies reach storm-ravaged Puerto Rico, the White House has said.

Mr Trump "has authorized the Jones Act be waived for Puerto Rico", a statement said on Twitter.

Puerto Rico had pressed the US to lift the act, which limits shipping between coasts to US-flagged vessels.

The US territory is struggling with fuel, water and medical shortages one week after Hurricane Maria struck..............>

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Good for him.

Every once in a while he does something right.
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The Jones Act Is an Antiquated, Protectionist Policy Failure. Mike Lee Is Aiming to Kill It.

The Utah senator wants a world where "Alaskans, Hawaiians, and Puerto Ricans aren't forced to pay higher prices for imported goods."


Hopefully, AK and Hawaii senators and reps will get on board with this.

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Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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