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Date Posted:04/12/2018 5:37 AMCopy HTML

I read a book by James Burke called, 'Connections'.  In it, he goes through the history of mankind and examines how one thing leads to the next and the next and the next and reveals how seemingly unrelated events set into motion complex and unpredictable outcomes.  Everything is, literally, connected in some way if you look closely enough.  It shaped my perception of the world in profound ways drilling into my head that life is not a bunch of random events.  Instead, it's an unimaginably complex chain of events, each one having a nearly unknowable number of unpredictable consequences that last through time.

It doesn't seem to be an exaggeration to say there are a whole lot of people looking around our country and wondering, "What the hell is going on?"  Rioting and looting on campus's, blatant attacks upon free speech, tossing boys into the dumpster fire of 3rd wave feminist ideology and using the results to attack the second amendment.  Endless wars, endless debt, a surveillance state docilely welcomed, massive fraud and waste of tax money by all levels of government, 'trigger warnings', denial of basic biology and even logic.  I'm barely scratching the surface of all the nonsense going on.

Over the last year or so, a professor of psychology in Canada has become a world wide phenomena.  Dr. Jordan Peterson took a public stand against a proposed compelled speech law by the Canadian government and against the human rights tribunal tasked with enforcing said compelled speech. 

It's hard to understate the shit-storm launched against him as a result.  As time has passed, I've watched as he has attempted to ferret out what is going on and how.  In a nutshell, here is what he seems to be putting together.

After WWII, the US and USSR entered into a 'cold war'.  Part of that war, KGB agents entered into the US and Canada and began operations.  The US government was aware of this and assumed the agents were sent to engage in espionage.  That was wrong.  They did perform some traditional espionage, of course, but their main goal was to seed marxist ideology into the educational system.

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Senator Joseph McCarthy began his famous witch-hunt in the fifties and that seems to have motivated members of the American Communist and Socialist parties to leave and join the democrats and republicans.  Over the years, the platform of the democrat party began to unabashedly echo the communist manifesto, due to their influence.


The republican platform isn't so brazen but, as we've seen, there is little significant difference between them and the democrats in their real world actions.

Academics and intellectuals have always seemed particularly vulnerable to Marxist ideology.  The influence of the agents of the kgb found fertile ground among them.  The initial result, I think, manifested as the rise of the 1960's radicals.  They, I believe, were the first wave of students taught by the marxism contaminated professors.  Somewhere along the line, the 3rd wave of feminism got on the bandwagon and together, they have taken control of the humanities in the colleges and universities.

Large numbers of the students they taught went on to become public school teachers and administrators, bureaucrats in local, state and federal bureaucracies, and journalists.  

In the 1970's, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn published a book, the Gulag Archipelago, which detailed the lunacy of communism in such a way as to ultimately contribute, in no small part, to the fall of the USSR in 1991.  The book was required reading when I was in high school and it pulled the rug out from under the feet of the adherents of marxism, socialism, fascism and communism in a way that the deaths of tens of millions of people hadn't been able to do. 

The Gulag Archipelago and other works critical of marxism in all its forms appear to have been banished from the lists of required reading in high schools and universities, replaced mainly by works critical of western society, capitalism and white people in general.  I think that should not surprising at all.


Dr. Peterson has named these people, 'post-modern, neo-marxists'.  "Post modernist", because they believe there are no facts. "Neo-Marxist",  because they believe that everything is about power;  oppressor vs. oppressed.  

What we are facing today is roughly two or three generations of people indoctrinated in the marxist world view handed down by those professors in the 1950's.  The STEM fields, however, have been resistant, possibly because of the subject matter.  You can't be an engineer or a doctor and not believe there are facts.

Until Dr. Peterson pulled it all together, who's doing what and how, most of us were just bewildered.  We pointed at (modern)liberals thinking it was them because, well, a lot of their ideas are silly and naive.  (Modern)liberalism/conservatism are symptoms of the disease, not the disease, itself.

If you think about the (modern)liberals/conservatives we've known here, you'll realize most of them were educated in the universities when the 'post-modern, neo-marxists' were first establishing their domination of the humanities.  In other words, the baby boomers were the first wave.

Dr. Peterson has also pointed out that there is no 'grand poo-bah' among the post modernists.  The movement is decentralized and their ideology is nonsensical and emotionally driven, as it would have to be in order to accept identity politics as valid.


That is, near as I figure out, what's going on.  I think Peterson is right.  I've read and watched observations from many other notable figures who seemed to have identified pieces of the puzzle but they didn't manage to
put it all together like Peterson has.

I've read and watched the post modernists actually articulate what they're doing and what their goals are (at least when they are able to articulate that much) and they tend to verify what Peterson has been saying.

I certainly could be wrong but this theory appears to fit and it explains a lot  about what is going on... a cultural war between borg and free men.
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I agree with the analogy, AK. Gasp!
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I'm not entirely satisfied with it, yet.   

I think this all began prior to the Gulag Archipelago.  I think it began around the time of joe McCarthy, the American communists... the smarter ones... began abandoning the communist and socialist parties in America to avoid persecution and what better place to hide than among the people hunting for you?

And McCarthy had it wrong.  They weren't 'soviet agents' here to commit espionage.  They were here to embed Marxist ideology into the educational system.  

"The main emphasis of the KGB is not in the area of intelligence at all. Only about 15% of time, money and manpower is spent on espionage and such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion or active measures,…or psychological warfare.[8][9] Yuri Bezmenov

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And if you think about it... the timing of their efforts seems to coincide the rise of the 1960's radicals.  To this day we still see the hammer and sickle flag in campus protests, especially antifa.  

I think our government was so hung up on spies and espionage that they missed the real purpose of the kgb in America.  Is it possible the kgb were successful, that the 60's radicals were the first wave of post-modern, neo-Marxists?
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Alright, first revision of  the o.p. is done.  I think it reads better.
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 they more crazy the left becomes, the more right wing and less libertarian i become.  

It's a frightening prospect.  Where will it end? 
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 Is there anything I'm missing?  Anything that doesn't make sense or is inaccurate?
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 No, i think your post is completely accurate.  But how to remove this left wing cancer?   
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Reply to Punkoidragon (04/18/2018 2:17 PM)

 No, i think your post is completely accurate.  But how to remove this left wing cancer?   

Well, I think we're seeing the beginning of pushback, at least in the US & Canada.  Peterson appears to be the leader however there were a lot of people before him, each pushing back at pieces of the puzzle.  Lauren Southern, Crowder, Shapiro, Milo, Mark Dice, Karen Straughan, Blonde in the belly, Roaming Millennial, Walther Williams, Thomas Sowell, Cassie Jaye, Sargon of Assad, Tommy Robinson... there are many, many more.

But Peterson seems to be gaining the most traction with his rational analysis, his ability to think on his feet and to articulate, calmly, replies to hostile questions.  While the others went after symptoms of the problem, Peterson seems to have identified the disease and given it a name:  Post modern, neo-marxism.
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Law is the worst of the bunch…. I had no idea how deep the corruption in law had gotten until last year. I have been talking to law students and professors, and it’s absolutely unbelievable.” Dr. Jordan Peterson, January 2018.

Dr. Jordan Peterson claims left-wing radicals are corrupting legal teaching across the Western world. At first glance, these extraordinary claims about the teaching of law seem unlikely. Jurisprudence is generally considered a dry subject of study, and the relentless application of reason and logic are the hallmark of conventional legal scholars and argumentation.

But there are a few signs that Peterson may be right, and the significant influence of ‘postmodern neo-Marxists’ on the legal academy is undeniable and pernicious.  For more than a generation, a coalition of radical scholars has been schooling students in doctrines they consider above criticism. In doing so, they have successfully smeared their enemies while perverting progressive aims of racial and sexual equality, and have replaced them with a regressive and authoritarian philosophy of power above all.

The philosophy behind this movement, known as Critical Legal Theory, has its roots in the 1970s, when postmodern neo-Marxist radicals began challenging and overturning accepted norms and standards. Officially founded in 1977 at a conference at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, the roots of critical legal theory (also known as Critical Legal Studies) extended back to the protests surrounding civil rights, animated by the ideals of Martin Luther King and the terrible injustices of the Jim Crow legal system.

The fundamental premise of critical legal theory was that the Western justice system was not a neutral or unbiased body of laws and procedures. On the contrary, the system is a tool of power, and pre-existing legal theories and structures were little more than frauds perpetrated by white male heterosexuals to consolidate their own power.

The theory is based on feminist, race and post-colonial concepts, and was pioneered by social justice legal activists within the American university system such as Kimberlé Crenshaw, Derrick Bell, Mari Matsuda and Richard Delgado.

Radical adherents believe that the logic and structure attributed to the law grow out of the power relationships of society. Thus, the law exists simply to support the interests of the dominant group and is merely a collection of beliefs and prejudices that legitimise injustice in society. 

Thus, critical legal scholars encouraged students to see the ‘bigger picture’: that law was nested within the context of society. This meant a critical legal education must involve politics, history, philosophy, sociology and culture. But society was not to be analysed primarily through the lens of the classical liberal thinkers of the Enlightenment, such as Hobbes or John Stuart Mill. Rather, critical legal theory scholars turned to Marx and Engels to explain how society worked. Their heroes were Max’s Weber and Horkheimer, Herbert Marcuse of the Frankfurt School, the Italian Marxist Antonio Gramsci, and, of course, postmodernist heroes Foucault and Derrida.

Critical legal theory steadily grew in influence in the 80s and 90s until it became integrated into many law schools and, in the words of Cornell Law School, it “permanently changed the landscape of legal theory.”

Continue:  Beyond All Warnings: The Radical Assault on Truth in the Law

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The popularisation of ‘social constructionism’ is widely agreed to be traceable to the publication of The Social Construction of Reality by the sociologists Peter L. Berger and Thomas Luckmann in 1966. In subsequent years, this concept attracted a large number of young, mostly left-leaning academics to the humanities departments of French universities, where social construction became an ideological tool useful to those engaged in the Parisian youth rebellion of 1968. From there, it spread rapidly though humanities departments in Europe and America, and into the social sciences.

The changes in intellectual thinking that this development catalysed reverberate across the West’s academic institutions to this day. What transpired in the late sixties was nothing short of a cultural revolution, riding a wave of academic trends referred to as ‘social constructionism,’  ‘postmodernism,’ and ‘poststructuralism,’ although it never became entirely clear if or how these concepts differ from one another. While foreign to some, social constructionist jargon is now routinely invoked by the young academics who successfully conquered the humanities over the ensuing 40 years.

These developments have not gone unnoticed in other parts of academia, where they have raised both eyebrows and tempers among social constructionism’s growing number of critics. Sceptics maintain that academic study of any kind demands intellectual rigour, consistency, and coherence if it is to produce meaningful intellectual reasoning and valuable conclusions. However, the major tenets of postmodernism/poststructuralism are that objectivity should be abandoned and academic endeavour should not be devoted to the pursuit of ‘truth,’ because objective truths simply do not exist.

The consequences of abandoning the search for truth and objectivity are grave everywhere. For instance, journalism from conflict zones that does not strive for neutrality and objectivity is of no use. The same is true for sociological or historical studies of social conflicts. It would even be true in the discovery of meaning in aesthetics – at its most extreme, the attack on objectivity leaves us unable to distinguish between the literary merit of a Proust passage and a Trump tweet. Postmodernist premises become especially debilitating in gender studies. Gender studies usually belong to the faculty of social sciences (at others, they belong to the humanities). Social constructionist thinking has been allowed to prevail in the social sciences and humanities, exempt from ideals of objectivity and truth seeking. The result has been that the theories and ‘findings’ of gender studies cannot be accepted by natural scientists.

Cont...  Lost Down Social Constructionism’s Epistemic Rabbit-Hole


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Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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A comparison...

CNN has now topped MSNBC during the daytime hours for 47 straight months among adults 25-54.

The ratings for January, 2018 (Nielsen Live + Same Day data):

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 No, i think your post is completely accurate.  But how to remove this left wing cancer?   

Well, I think we're seeing the beginning of pushback, at least in the US & Canada.  Peterson appears to be the leader however there were a lot of people before him, each pushing back at pieces of the puzzle.  Lauren Southern, Crowder, Shapiro, Milo, Mark Dice, Karen Straughan, Blonde in the belly, Roaming Millennial, Walther Williams, Thomas Sowell, Cassie Jaye, Sargon of Assad, Tommy Robinson... there are many, many more.

But Peterson seems to be gaining the most traction with his rational analysis, his ability to think on his feet and to articulate, calmly, replies to hostile questions.  While the others went after symptoms of the problem, Peterson seems to have identified the disease and given it a name:  Post modern, neo-marxism.

Push Back just isn't enough. 

You have 10 apples.  The left comes and takes 9 apples.  You "push back" and take 2 apples back.  The left has still stolen 7 apples and is waiting to take those last 3.  Violence will arrive soon.  Its why they want the guns so desperately. 
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Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Push Back just isn't enough. 

You have 10 apples.  The left comes and takes 9 apples.  You "push back" and take 2 apples back.  The left has still stolen 7 apples and is waiting to take those last 3.  Violence will arrive soon.  Its why they want the guns so desperately. 

An interesting analogy but perhaps it's slightly off the mark.  We didn't know who was stealing the apples or how, only that apples were disappearing.  The missing apples are less important than who was doing the stealing and how.

Or have I taken the metaphor too far?
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Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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.........Why should he? In all essentials, using the Hegelian dialectic, he had reached his conclusions about the fate of humanity by the late 1840s. All that remained was to find the facts to substantiate them, and these could be garnered from newspaper reports, government blue books and evidence collected by earlier writers; and all this material could be found in libraries. Why look further? The problem, as it appeared to Marx, was to find the right kind of facts: the facts that fitted...........

Not quite true.  When the results of the 1871 census came in he modified his writings a bit.  In his earlier writings he asserted that the rich would richer and the poor become poorer.  Though that was not really true when he wrote it it appeared that way as the rich were becoming richer and living longer the poor were not living longer.  The poor living in towns were living longer, the poor in rural areas were living longer but as the population shifted tfrom rural areas o the towns those gains were canceled out. As Einstein pointed out in his theories of relativity the growing gap between rich and poor made it seem that the poor were becoming poorer.

Then along came along Dr John Snow  ... In the years that followed the construction of Bazalgette’s masterpiece the Thames finally lost its reputation as the dirtiest and most polluted river in the entire world. Today, it is considered one of the cleanest metropolitan rivers in the world and cases of cholera have not been reported in London since the late 1860s.

Other legislation

1860      Food and Drugs Act prevents the adulteration of food.The Nightingale School of Nursing is founded.

1860s       Philanthropic societies build model housing: blocks of tenements (mainly in London) where working people can rent flats, e.g. Beaconsfield buildings, Improved Industrial Dwellings Company and Peabody Trust. Some large factory owners also build model housing estates for employees, e.g. the manufacturer and philanthropist Titus Salt at Saltaire.

1861       Local Government Act amends the 1858 act by requiring local authorities to purify sewerage before discharging it into rivers and canals. Post Office savings scheme for ordinary people is launched. The abolition of the 'Taxes on Knowledge' (the stamp duties on newspapers and the customs and excise duties on paper) results in spectacular development of daily and Sunday newspapers. Lectures in physiology opened to ladies at University College, London.

1862       Companies Act provides stimulus to accumulation of capital in shares. Florence Nightingale establishes Nightingale School for Nurses at St. Thomas' Hospital (image).

1863       The world's first underground railway opens in London in January between Paddington and Farringdon using gas-lit wooden carriages hauled by steam locomotives. There are over 1,000 newspapers in Britain. Queen's Institute founded in London for the industrial training of women.

1864       The first Contagious Diseases Act is passed, permitting forcible registration and regular internal examination of women suspected to be prostitute, within a radius of 11 army camps and naval ports in England and Ireland.

1865       Girls are admitted to Cambridge Local Examinations. Elizabeth Garrett Anderson passes the Society of Apothecaries examination and becomes the first British woman licensed as a doctor. Barbara Bodichon forms Women's Suffrage Committee.

1866       A second new Contagious Diseases Act adds Chatham and Windsor to the list of towns and introduces the enforcement of fortnightly medical examinations of women for venereal disease. Women's suffrage societies founded in London, Edinburgh, and Manchester.

1867       Second Reform Act doubles the electorate (15 August). Metropolitan Poor Act provides for the establishment of hospitals for the sick and insane. John Stuart Mill introduces the first women’s suffrage bill into parliament. Josephine Butler establishes the first Industrial Home which provides former prostitutes with work, such as making clothes and envelopes. Factory Extension Act brings all factories employing more than 50 people under the terms of all existing factory acts, forbids the employment of children, young people and women on Sundays; and amends some regulations of previous acts.

1868       Founding of the Trades Union Congress. Torren's Act imposes punishment for landlords who fail to improve their property. Last public execution in England.

1869       The Ladies National Association for the Repeal of the Contagious Diseases Acts founded. The first municipal housing estate in Europe, St Martin’s Cottages are built in Liverpool. The Charity Organisation Society is founded in response to growing pauperism in London and other large cities during the 1860s. First women's college at Cambridge (Girton — image). Women ratepayers receive municipal franchise. Imprisonment for debt is abolished. Anglican Church disestablished in Ireland.

1870       W. E. Forster's Education Act makes elementary education available to all children in England and Wales. William Fowler MP introduces a private member's bills to repeal the Contagious Diseases Acts. A Royal Commission is set up to consider the matter. The First Married Women’s Property Act allows wives to retain earned income and property acquired after her marriage.Over 30 large music halls in London and almost 400 large music halls in Britain.

1871       The population of England and Wales is 27,7 million, Scotland 3.5 million, Ireland 5.4. Religious tests for university teachers and officials abolished. Trade unions legalised and workers are granted the right to strike. Bank Holidays Act lays down that Easter Monday, Whit Monday, the first Monday in August and 26th of December (if a weekday) should be official holidays.

1872       Voting by secret ballot is introduced in national elections. National Agricultural Labourers Union founded. Metalliferous Mines Regulation Act prohibits the employment in the mines of all girls, women and boys under the age of 12 years; introduces powers to appoint inspectors of mines; and sets out rules regarding ventilation, blasting and machinery.

http://theconversation.com/life-expectancy-in-britain-has-fallen-so-much-that-a-million-years-of-life-could-disappear-by-2058-why-88063

Faced with the evidence Marx shifted (a bit) and conceded that the poor would not necessarily become poorer.


I saw this play a week ago;

http://spontaneousproductions.co.uk/events/eleanor-marx-the-jewess-of-jews-walk-from-weds-18-april/


It is a play (about the last days of Marx's youngest daughter) revealing family dysfunction, deceit, bad faith, willful blindness. If ever there was a play vindicating Jordan Peterson's maxim "Clean your room before you change the world" this is it!

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Protests as China's Karl Marx statue unveiled in German city of Trier

https://news.sky.com/story/protests-as-chinas-karl-marx-statue-unveiled-in-german-city-of-trier-11359781

The 200th anniversary of Karl Marx's birth has been marked with the unveiling of a statue in the city where he was born.

The celebrations were marred by protests - the revolutionary philosopher remains a divisive figure almost three decades after the fall of the Berlin Wall.

Marx laid the foundations for communism, the ideology that aims for shared ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes.

The 18-foot statue - a gift from China - was unveiled in front of dignitaries in the German city Trier, including a Chinese delegation and the head of Germany's Social Democratic Party.

An association representing victims of communism called for protests because they say Marx inspired Stalinist regimes...........>

A Chinese delegation where present for the unveiling

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There are few people in history, were it possible, I would kill.  Marx is one, keynes another.  I don't see how any argument can be made that the world would not be better off without their existence.

Well, you might ask, 'what about hitler or lenin or stalin or pol pot or mao or any number of other villains?  Well, with hitler, given the circumstances... if it wasn't him it would have been someone else.  The others?  They are consequence of marx's writings and the authoritarian tendencies of academics.
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Resistance to postmodern neomarxism is coalescing into not so much an organized group but instead it's people talking to each other and engaging in lengthy and public conversations via social media.  Each of them has pieces of the puzzle and through discussion, history and rational thought they have launched a rebellion against postmodern neomarxism in universities, media and government. 

To follow the discussions, you need to have an above average attention span and vocabulary.

What Is the 'Intellectual Dark Web'?
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