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Heard from a resident of Lae Vegas while in San Diego recently that they passed a law against being homeless.

It’s not as stupid or cold blooded as it might sound. They transport the homeless to communities outside of Vegas where they can find employment, shelter, and food with other homeless people like themselves. Guessing it’s like what our transported ancestors faced in the colonies before the Revolution, and before states ended the practice of warning citizens out of towns, who were derelict drains on their resources.

I read sometime ago about the successful strategy of turning over management of housing for the poor to residents who in policing themselves eliminated the drugs and abuses they formerly endured.....not sure that was a long term success; doesn’t seem to have swept over the country and it may have been just a lucky event for them, not repeatable.

People do tend to pull together for survival when they all share the same perilous circumstances

However, a community in New Jersey that decided to find jobs for everyone, was informed by the courts that it was unConstitutional to force people to work, so I’m guessing Las Vegas will also have to think of something else to deal with their homeless population.

San Diego has a large homeless population that makes tourists uncomfortable. So does Seattle, and many other large (and small) communities, including the nation’s Capital.

So much time, effort, and money has been thrown at the homeless issue, but a solution has yet to surface.

It’s a free country.......

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Add Anchorage, AK to the list of cities with a homeless problem.

It isn't just, 'makes people uncomfortable'.  The homeless camps are sources of disease, filth and crime ranging from vandalism to theft to physical attacks within the camps and upon passersby who happen to get in the way of a drunk or addict or insane (or some combination of those) individual.

It is just a matter of time before some homeless crazy wretch attacks the daughter or son of the wrong person.  Or gets caught on someones property stealing and busting things up.  Or taking a shit.

In the times of my grandfather and before, I cannot imagine what is occurring to day would have been tolerated.  By, 'not tolerated', I mean vagrants would have been jailed and/or run out of town.  If they persisted or, as mentioned before, fucked with the wrong people, beaten or killed.  But today, we not only tolerate vagrancy, we encourage it with rewards and 'compassion' even when compassion is inappropriate.  Especially when it is inappropriate.  The consequences have been dire.

A goodly number of homeless are mentally ill.  Most, severely mentally ill and need to reside in a psychiatric institution, perhaps until the end of their days.  Alas, I know quite a few such people for whom a bullet to the head would be the most humane answer.

The path that seems to be most popular for dealing with homelessness, if we are to judge by the actions of cities plagued with them, appears to be let them fester until some disease or another sweeps through and kills them.

I'm not certain that's the best course of action but it does seem to be the one being waited for.

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Last place I’d want to be homeless is north of comfortable winters.

Used to have them on the outskirts of town, near the railroad tracks.

Back in September the weather turned icy cold and a couple of homeless guys at the bus stop, the day I was leaving Ashland, OR were talking about who was moving south, when, and where.  They’d been homeless and friendly for a couple of years.

It’s a lifestyle for some, an adventure for others.  They may have been interested in the Vegas option.  Depends upon drugs, criminals, bullying, etc. that likely determines where they decided to spend winter.

In Seattle, years ago, they were draped all over the city library waiting for it to open. Later, when I was going up the escalator to the genealogy section, I noticed they had pretty much taken over the computers.  
That seemed hopeful, but the next day intending to walk through a nearby park, I walked around it because two homeless groups were facing off.  Everyone else was going around it too.  Not good.

Whatever draws them should be located someplace else, but that’s not easy:  doorways, close to work and food and buddies are hard to resist.

That they will die off, eventually, is not likely when they have children learning the life.  Generations of welfare taught us that.

Back in the day, town farms took care of them, educated them, got them back on their feet.  In smaller towns residents took them and were reimbursed from the community budget.   Some towns warned out citizens who were indigent, not too appreciated by surrounding towns who got stuck with them.

It’s not a new problem....

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President Donald Trump has expressed willingness to interfere in the West Coast’s seemingly intractable “homelessness” problem: “Donald Trump said he might ‘intercede’ to ‘clean up’ homelessness in San Francisco and Los Angeles, noting that world leaders ‘can’t be looking at that.’”
“That,” our noxious streets, certainly are a shame, only some of us have forgotten how to feel shame — or compassion. The “homelessness”crisis, which is really the opioid crisis dressed up in class warfare language, is manufactured. It was created, to a large extent, by the local judiciary, but also abetted by state laws and executive inaction.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/21/the-san-francisco-mess-proves-decriminalizing-drugs-doesnt-work/?utm_source=The+Federalist+List&utm_campaign=0c015a1d08-RSS_The_Federalist_Daily_Updates_w_Transom&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_cfcb868ceb-0c015a1d08-84045335

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Too soon to say.  Grandstanding May interfere with this solution which is survival of the fittest, allowing the makers of their own misery to sink or swim.  Of course if you’re related to one or more of them, you can’t be as cold about it.  Nonetheless it’s a solution that given time will end homelessness and excessive drug usage, cartels, and endless spending on the problems we currently face with good intentions.

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https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/violent-drug-addicted-transients-from-out-of-town-make-up-the-majority-of-homeless/

Legalize drugs and let the problem destroy itself.  Heartless, but it would work where every effort to be more humane and save lives has failed.

Homeless in America has always been something we dealt with better than we are now.  The above link article promotes the us and them response.  They’re not us.  We’re not homeless.  It’s them we need to get rid of because we can’t ignore the harm they cause us.

Vagrancy laws may come back on the books by other names....it may be cyclical.

Guess they leave Alaska before the harshness of winter sets in.  Snowbirds.  They’re not exactly welcome in Florida, even when they can afford a place to stay......am told the Canadians are the worst.  Shocking since my view of them is the stereotypical politeness.  It’s probably just the invasion of others, like that of tourists, that no community enjoys entirely except for the money.  Homeless, even seasonal for the warmer climate, don’t bring much to the community, and are beginning to deter tourists.

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Inside the lawless tunnel network below the Las Vegas strip where thousands of homeless people live in fear of being washed away
Sophia Ankel, Jacob Kepler and Simon Schütz, BILD
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https://www.coalitionforthehomeless.org/ending-homelessness/proven-solutions/

We can end the homelessness crisis.By stabilizing people through shelter, moving them into permanent housing, and implementing assistance programs to keep them in their housing, we can not only reduce, but eliminate, homelessness in New York City.

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https://endhomelessness.org/ending-homelessness/solutions/

In the get a job category:


How Income Opportunity and Services Can End HomelessnessThere are efforts to improve pathways to employment for low-skilled, entry level workers through investments in subsidized employment and programs funded under the Workforce Investment and Opportunity Act (WIOA). The availability of work supports for low-income households, such as child care and transportation assistance, can also have a big impact on whether or not a household can sustain employment.
There are also opportunities to improve income supports programs for low-income people. As an example, TANF assistance can be made more readily accessible to families experiencing a housing crisis that might help avert homelessness for some. Training local staff in the SOAR (Supplemental Security Income/Social Security Disability Income Outreach, Access and Recovery) model can reduce the length of time eligible people with disabilities must wait before receiving Supplemental Security Income (SSI).
Zzzzzzz

Seriously?  Could they complicate the hell out of it any more than this litany of tried and failed options.
Each community has to take responsibility for their failed economy.  Homeless outcasts built Rome.
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Throwing money at it........yeah when has that ever been more than a temporary, and costlier solution.
Bus, plane, and train tickets out of town?

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Here's how Finland solved its homelessness problemFinland found a simple solution to its homelessness problem: giving people a place to stay.
Image: REUTERS/John Schults 
13 Feb 2018
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More on the agenda
In the last year in the UK, the number of people sleeping rough rose by 7%. In Germany, the last two years saw a 35% increase in the number of homeless while in France, there has been an increase of 50% in the last 11 years. 
These are Europe’s three biggest economies, and yet they haven’t solved their housing problem. Across Europe, the picture is much the same. 
Except in Finland. 
Image: Housing First
There, the number of homeless is steadily decreasing. So what have they been doing differently? 
An ideology
Image: REUTERS/Mary Turner
The Finns have turned the traditional approach to homelessness on its head. 
There can be a number of reasons as to why someone ends up homeless, including sudden job loss or family breakdown, severe substance abuse or mental health problems. But most homelessness policies work on the premise that the homeless person has to sort those problems out first before they can get permanent accommodation. 
Finland does the opposite - it gives them a home first. 

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/10/30/homelessness-california-los-angeles-san-francisco-problem-local-solution-column/2487071001/

Don’t you just love it when I eventually answer my own questions?

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Housing first as an answer isn’t an easy solution for taxpayers who look at the homeless housing and discover it is better than their own housing.  Government provides better shelter for the homeless than they are able to provide and pay taxes on for themselves.

HUD has learned how they drove up the housing costs in communities making it less affordable for residents with jobs who were paying taxes. 

Again, the solution isn’t federal; the problem came from state and county having shirked what had been their responsibilities.  The Federal bureaucracy happy to expand accepted the challenge and local government happy to have it out of their hands insisted they take it, referring to unfair mandates. All that has resulted  in the homeless helping and exploiting each other and retaliating against abusive and innocent citizens, who unwittingly are the makers of their own misery.  By not electing capable officials to adequately run their communities and states in their best interests, citizens are solely responsible for the homeless conditions they currently endure and want something done about.

So, the homeless situation reflects badly on the community as it should.

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Here, housing subsidies have raised average rents quite a bit.  Landlords seek out section 8 housing people ($1,200/month for 2 bedroom) because of the reliability of the check.  Oddly, rents across the board seem to start about there... crazy, yeah?  Total coincidence.

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Our ancestors came here with next to nothing and made a go of it, fought  the Indigenous for survival and England for the luxury of freedom.

Immigrants come here today, with next to nothing and prosper, while others born and raised here wallow in poverty.

Some beg, but others work...not that I want my windshield washed, but the point is homeless workers are salvageable.  They’re not all on drugs.  They’re not all mentally ill.

The three I met in Ashland, OR were helping each other locate shelter and safety.  One offered me bus fare, and some of the food he just bought at Safeway.  Not sure how I should take being able to blend to such a degree, but I’ll go with the sweet old lady stereotype.

The federal government, no matter how well intentioned, can’t solve the problem of affordable housing, or homelessness.  Locals need to provide specific solutions for the specific problems of the homeless in their community.  Regionally, to get them off the streets of communities that don’t want them, can’t deal with them, whatever, perhaps internment camps, prison camps, refugee camps, homeless reservations could be set up.......it’s not as if the country is short of open spaces where people could devise their own community based on their own skill sets.  I’m sure computers could organize homeless people into sustainable communities, villages.   
I haven’t found anything online about Vegas removing their homeless to other communities.  I did read how their homeless were living in tunnels underneath the city.

Any job is better than no job.  It’s a shame that we have ranked jobs as beneath or above us, so that pride stands in the way of gaining employment.  There are far fewer jobs, especially for the unskilled, so that leaves them homeless.  Trade schools?

How do you measure the worth of a country or community when it has so many homeless among its citizens?

Are business warlords abusing their privilege.  Have public schools dumbed down students, pandering to warlords who don’t want to pay living wages?

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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Date Posted：12/28/2019 7:00 AMCopy HTML Heard from a resident of Lae Vegas while in San Diego recently that they passed a law against being homeless. It’s not as stupid or cold blooded as it might sound. They transport the homeless to communities outside of Vegas where they can find employment, shelter, and food with other homeless people like themselves. Guessing it’s like what our transported ancestors faced in the colonies before the Revolution, and before states ended the practice of warning citizens out of towns, who were derelict drains on their resources. I read sometime ago about the successful strategy of turning over management of housing for the poor to residents who in policing themselves eliminated the drugs and abuses they formerly endured.....not sure that was a long term success; doesn’t seem to have swept over the country and it may have been just a lucky event for them, not repeatable. People do tend to pull together for survival when they all share the same perilous circumstances However, a community in New Jersey that decided to find jobs for everyone, was informed by the courts that it was unConstitutional to force people to work, so I’m guessing Las Vegas will also have to think of something else to deal with their homeless population. San Diego has a large homeless population that makes tourists uncomfortable. So does Seattle, and many other large (and small) communities, including the nation’s Capital. So much time, effort, and money has been thrown at the homeless issue, but a solution has yet to surface. It’s a free country....... What goes around, comes around.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：What to do with the homeless.... Date Posted：12/31/2019 3:33 AMCopy HTML Add Anchorage, AK to the list of cities with a homeless problem. It isn't just, 'makes people uncomfortable'. The homeless camps are sources of disease, filth and crime ranging from vandalism to theft to physical attacks within the camps and upon passersby who happen to get in the way of a drunk or addict or insane (or some combination of those) individual. It is just a matter of time before some homeless crazy wretch attacks the daughter or son of the wrong person. Or gets caught on someones property stealing and busting things up. Or taking a shit. In the times of my grandfather and before, I cannot imagine what is occurring to day would have been tolerated. By, 'not tolerated', I mean vagrants would have been jailed and/or run out of town. If they persisted or, as mentioned before, fucked with the wrong people, beaten or killed. But today, we not only tolerate vagrancy, we encourage it with rewards and 'compassion' even when compassion is inappropriate. Especially when it is inappropriate. The consequences have been dire. A goodly number of homeless are mentally ill. Most, severely mentally ill and need to reside in a psychiatric institution, perhaps until the end of their days. Alas, I know quite a few such people for whom a bullet to the head would be the most humane answer. The path that seems to be most popular for dealing with homelessness, if we are to judge by the actions of cities plagued with them, appears to be let them fester until some disease or another sweeps through and kills them. I'm not certain that's the best course of action but it does seem to be the one being waited for. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：What to do with the homeless.... Date Posted：01/20/2020 7:05 AMCopy HTML Last place I’d want to be homeless is north of comfortable winters. Used to have them on the outskirts of town, near the railroad tracks. Back in September the weather turned icy cold and a couple of homeless guys at the bus stop, the day I was leaving Ashland, OR were talking about who was moving south, when, and where. They’d been homeless and friendly for a couple of years. It’s a lifestyle for some, an adventure for others. They may have been interested in the Vegas option. Depends upon drugs, criminals, bullying, etc. that likely determines where they decided to spend winter. In Seattle, years ago, they were draped all over the city library waiting for it to open. Later, when I was going up the escalator to the genealogy section, I noticed they had pretty much taken over the computers. That seemed hopeful, but the next day intending to walk through a nearby park, I walked around it because two homeless groups were facing off. Everyone else was going around it too. Not good. Whatever draws them should be located someplace else, but that’s not easy: doorways, close to work and food and buddies are hard to resist. That they will die off, eventually, is not likely when they have children learning the life. Generations of welfare taught us that. Back in the day, town farms took care of them, educated them, got them back on their feet. In smaller towns residents took them and were reimbursed from the community budget. Some towns warned out citizens who were indigent, not too appreciated by surrounding towns who got stuck with them. It’s not a new problem....
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：What to do with the homeless.... Date Posted：01/21/2020 6:07 PMCopy HTML President Donald Trump has expressed willingness to interfere in the West Coast’s seemingly intractable “homelessness” problem: “Donald Trump said he might ‘intercede’ to ‘clean up’ homelessness in San Francisco and Los Angeles, noting that world leaders ‘can’t be looking at that.’” “That,” our noxious streets, certainly are a shame, only some of us have forgotten how to feel shame — or compassion. The “homelessness”crisis, which is really the opioid crisis dressed up in class warfare language, is manufactured. It was created, to a large extent, by the local judiciary, but also abetted by state laws and executive inaction. https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/21/the-san-francisco-mess-proves-decriminalizing-drugs-doesnt-work/?utm_source=The+Federalist+List&utm_campaign=0c015a1d08-RSS_The_Federalist_Daily_Updates_w_Transom&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_cfcb868ceb-0c015a1d08-84045335 ....... Too soon to say. Grandstanding May interfere with this solution which is survival of the fittest, allowing the makers of their own misery to sink or swim. Of course if you’re related to one or more of them, you can’t be as cold about it. Nonetheless it’s a solution that given time will end homelessness and excessive drug usage, cartels, and endless spending on the problems we currently face with good intentions. What goes around, comes around.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：What to do with the homeless.... Date Posted：02/24/2020 4:31 PMCopy HTML https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/violent-drug-addicted-transients-from-out-of-town-make-up-the-majority-of-homeless/ Legalize drugs and let the problem destroy itself. Heartless, but it would work where every effort to be more humane and save lives has failed. Homeless in America has always been something we dealt with better than we are now. The above link article promotes the us and them response. They’re not us. We’re not homeless. It’s them we need to get rid of because we can’t ignore the harm they cause us. Vagrancy laws may come back on the books by other names....it may be cyclical. Guess they leave Alaska before the harshness of winter sets in. Snowbirds. They’re not exactly welcome in Florida, even when they can afford a place to stay......am told the Canadians are the worst. Shocking since my view of them is the stereotypical politeness. It’s probably just the invasion of others, like that of tourists, that no community enjoys entirely except for the money. Homeless, even seasonal for the warmer climate, don’t bring much to the community, and are beginning to deter tourists. What goes around, comes around.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：What to do with the homeless.... Date Posted：02/24/2020 4:39 PMCopy HTML Inside the lawless tunnel network below the Las Vegas strip where thousands of homeless people live in fear of being washed away Sophia Ankel, Jacob Kepler and Simon Schütz, BILD Sep 11, 2019, 9:12 AM Snapchat What goes around, comes around.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：What to do with the homeless.... Date Posted：02/24/2020 4:44 PMCopy HTML https://www.coalitionforthehomeless.org/ending-homelessness/proven-solutions/ We can end the homelessness crisis. By stabilizing people through shelter, moving them into permanent housing, and implementing assistance programs to keep them in their housing, we can not only reduce, but eliminate, homelessness in New York City. What goes around, comes around.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：What to do with the homeless.... Date Posted：02/24/2020 5:00 PMCopy HTML https://endhomelessness.org/ending-homelessness/solutions/ In the get a job category: How Income Opportunity and Services Can End Homelessness There are efforts to improve pathways to employment for low-skilled, entry level workers through investments in subsidized employment and programs funded under the Workforce Investment and Opportunity Act (WIOA). The availability of work supports for low-income households, such as child care and transportation assistance, can also have a big impact on whether or not a household can sustain employment. There are also opportunities to improve income supports programs for low-income people. As an example, TANF assistance can be made more readily accessible to families experiencing a housing crisis that might help avert homelessness for some. Training local staff in the SOAR (Supplemental Security Income/Social Security Disability Income Outreach, Access and Recovery) model can reduce the length of time eligible people with disabilities must wait before receiving Supplemental Security Income (SSI). Zzzzzzz Seriously? Could they complicate the hell out of it any more than this litany of tried and failed options. Each community has to take responsibility for their failed economy. Homeless outcasts built Rome. Everyone is a libertarian until their community is the one being destroyed by it. A quote from Billions on Netflix. The rise and fall no one wants and yet refuse to see coming. Throwing money at it........yeah when has that ever been more than a temporary, and costlier solution. Bus, plane, and train tickets out of town? What goes around, comes around.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：What to do with the homeless.... Date Posted：02/24/2020 5:04 PMCopy HTML Here's how Finland solved its homelessness problem Finland found a simple solution to its homelessness problem: giving people a place to stay. Image: REUTERS/John Schults 13 Feb 2018 Alex GraySenior Writer, Formative Content Global Risks Report 2020 Read the report Most Popular Five ways Chinese companies are responding to coronavirus David Aikman and Alan Chan 20 Feb 2020 These are the 15 fastest-growing cities in the world Madison Hoff · Business Insider 20 Feb 2020 The economic effects of the COVID-19 coronavirus around the world Rosamond Hutt 17 Feb 2020 More on the agenda In the last year in the UK, the number of people sleeping rough rose by 7%. In Germany, the last two years saw a 35% increase in the number of homeless while in France, there has been an increase of 50% in the last 11 years. These are Europe’s three biggest economies, and yet they haven’t solved their housing problem. Across Europe, the picture is much the same. Except in Finland. Image: Housing First There, the number of homeless is steadily decreasing. So what have they been doing differently? An ideology Image: REUTERS/Mary Turner The Finns have turned the traditional approach to homelessness on its head. There can be a number of reasons as to why someone ends up homeless, including sudden job loss or family breakdown, severe substance abuse or mental health problems. But most homelessness policies work on the premise that the homeless person has to sort those problems out first before they can get permanent accommodation. Finland does the opposite - it gives them a home first. What goes around, comes around.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：What to do with the homeless.... Date Posted：02/24/2020 5:10 PMCopy HTML https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/10/30/homelessness-california-los-angeles-san-francisco-problem-local-solution-column/2487071001/ Don’t you just love it when I eventually answer my own questions? What goes around, comes around.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：What to do with the homeless.... Date Posted：02/24/2020 8:02 PMCopy HTML Housing first as an answer isn’t an easy solution for taxpayers who look at the homeless housing and discover it is better than their own housing. Government provides better shelter for the homeless than they are able to provide and pay taxes on for themselves. HUD has learned how they drove up the housing costs in communities making it less affordable for residents with jobs who were paying taxes. Again, the solution isn’t federal; the problem came from state and county having shirked what had been their responsibilities. The Federal bureaucracy happy to expand accepted the challenge and local government happy to have it out of their hands insisted they take it, referring to unfair mandates. All that has resulted in the homeless helping and exploiting each other and retaliating against abusive and innocent citizens, who unwittingly are the makers of their own misery. By not electing capable officials to adequately run their communities and states in their best interests, citizens are solely responsible for the homeless conditions they currently endure and want something done about. So, the homeless situation reflects badly on the community as it should.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：What to do with the homeless.... Date Posted：02/29/2020 5:31 PMCopy HTML Here, housing subsidies have raised average rents quite a bit. Landlords seek out section 8 housing people ($1,200/month for 2 bedroom) because of the reliability of the check. Oddly, rents across the board seem to start about there... crazy, yeah? Total coincidence. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：What to do with the homeless.... Date Posted：03/07/2020 8:45 AMCopy HTML Our ancestors came here with next to nothing and made a go of it, fought the Indigenous for survival and England for the luxury of freedom. Immigrants come here today, with next to nothing and prosper, while others born and raised here wallow in poverty. Some beg, but others work...not that I want my windshield washed, but the point is homeless workers are salvageable. They’re not all on drugs. They’re not all mentally ill. The three I met in Ashland, OR were helping each other locate shelter and safety. One offered me bus fare, and some of the food he just bought at Safeway. Not sure how I should take being able to blend to such a degree, but I’ll go with the sweet old lady stereotype. The federal government, no matter how well intentioned, can’t solve the problem of affordable housing, or homelessness. Locals need to provide specific solutions for the specific problems of the homeless in their community. Regionally, to get them off the streets of communities that don’t want them, can’t deal with them, whatever, perhaps internment camps, prison camps, refugee camps, homeless reservations could be set up.......it’s not as if the country is short of open spaces where people could devise their own community based on their own skill sets. I’m sure computers could organize homeless people into sustainable communities, villages. I haven’t found anything online about Vegas removing their homeless to other communities. I did read how their homeless were living in tunnels underneath the city. Any job is better than no job. It’s a shame that we have ranked jobs as beneath or above us, so that pride stands in the way of gaining employment. There are far fewer jobs, especially for the unskilled, so that leaves them homeless. Trade schools? How do you measure the worth of a country or community when it has so many homeless among its citizens? Are business warlords abusing their privilege. Have public schools dumbed down students, pandering to warlords who don’t want to pay living wages?