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The USFS says 'global warming' is killing off yellow cedars in S.E. Alaska and B.C., Canada by causing their roots to freeze due to lack of snow cover.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46439567/ns/us_news-environment/

In S.E. Alaska, there is very little soil and what soil there is, is very nutrient poor and doesn't hold water very well. It can rain for 40 days straight there but 4 hours after the sun comes out, you'll have dust blowing in your face. Snow on the ground type winter is usually 3 months or so in Juneau and about two months in Ketchikan.

You should also know that trees in this part of the world don't have tap roots because... well, under the inch or two of 'soil' we have up here is solid rock. This entire part of the world emerged out from under glaciers and ice fields about 12,000 years ago... not enough time to build up soil.

The theory that lack of snow cover causes the roots to freeze is kinda goofy. The root wad of cedar trees isn't that much larger than the diameter of their branches... I know this because I've seen them after they have fallen over in high winds. Additionally, coniferous trees shed snow pretty well. Alaskans know if you are stranded in the bush in the snow, nice shelter can be found at the base of coniferous trees because the snow that sheds off the tree builds a nice wall around the base... once you're inside there, you are well sheltered.

Generally speaking, the world makes sense. Things happen for reasons that are generally not that hard to figure out. So when a group of 'scientists' tell me something that makes no obvious sense... is it not reasonable to question their results?

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You explained the science well if that is the case. Where is the problem?

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I'm just like... what the hell?  People believe this stuff?  It's clearly not true.

It might be true that there is a die-off of cedar trees going on... I have to take their word on that.  But their reasoning is... it just doesn't hold water.

1)Temperatures drop below freezing... often way below freezing... before snow falls.  It has always been that way.  Clear skies in Alaska mean cold, cold, cold in the winter time.  Yet we're to believe, all of the sudden, cedar trees can't take it?  It isn't raining any less in S.E. Alaska.  It isn't snowing any less in S.E. Alaska.

2)The bulk of the roots of coniferous trees are under the branches.  Those branches shed the snow outward so the ground directly under them is relatively snow free all the time.

3)The forest service, when it doesn't sell off vast acreages for clear cutting by louisiana pacific, suppresses wildfires and prevents small time logging.  This means what remains upright is getting older and older and older.  The feds stole the Tongass back in 1907... 

What is happening to the old cedar trees, I have no idea but I'm pretty sure 'global warming' has nothing to do with it.

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Interesting article here:

http://oleaeuropea.wordpress.com/2011/01/20/how-do-trees-survive-the-cold/

I found it by googling "how cedar trees survive the cold".

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You cunning bastard!

Actually, the article reveals a possible cause of the die offs.

For the last 10 to 15 years, Alaska and B.C. have been experiencing periodic chinooks... repeatedly... throughout the winter.

Chinook winds, not the fish, are warm and wet masses of air that come howling up from the lower lats.  In a matter of a few hours, they can cause a -40F day to reach up into the 30's, 40's and even fifties.

The article you linked to says trees are vulnerable to rapid freeze/thaw cycles... we've been having lots of them.  Perhaps the Cedar, as tough a tree as you could like when it comes to water and bugs, isn't quite so tough when it comes to relatively rapid temperature changes?

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Why is it goofy that shallow roots are protected by the insulation of snow. If your up in a mountain lost in the snow, what's the best way to save yourself from hypothermia? Build a snow cave.

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What is wrong with dead cedar anyway?  

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You cunning bastard!

Actually, the article reveals a possible cause of the die offs.

For the last 10 to 15 years, Alaska and B.C. have been experiencing periodic chinooks... repeatedly... throughout the winter.

Chinook winds, not the fish, are warm and wet masses of air that come howling up from the lower lats.  In a matter of a few hours, they can cause a -40F day to reach up into the 30's, 40's and even fifties.

The article you linked to says trees are vulnerable to rapid freeze/thaw cycles... we've been having lots of them.  Perhaps the Cedar, as tough a tree as you could like when it comes to water and bugs, isn't quite so tough when it comes to relatively rapid temperature changes?

That's what I took away - and such a die off will leave a hardier cedar for the future.  Isn't Alaska experiencing a much more harsh winter this year?  I believe Siberia is as well.

The lower 48 states have had a mild winter.

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Reply to katie5445 (02/19/2012 10:42 AM)

Why is it goofy that shallow roots are protected by the insulation of snow. If your up in a mountain lost in the snow, what's the best way to save yourself from hypothermia? Build a snow cave.

There is nothing goofy about that - however, the cedars have often experienced harsh cold weather without snow cover, and didn't die off.  Apparently the key is for the temperature to change slow enough such that the tree goes dormant - drying itself out such that ice crystals don't form when the roots freeze.  If the roots are wet and the tree active, and a freeze occurs - that's a problem for them.

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 "The right to search for truth implies also a duty; one must not conceal any part of what one has recognized to be true."--Albert Einstein

this is the scientific principle that all these charlatans peddling "man made global warming" have forsaken.

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See... this is so profoundly fucked up that only a 'highly educated' person could come up with it.

Parents should be allowed to have their newborn babies killed because they are “morally irrelevant” and ending their lives is no different to abortion, a group of medical ethicists linked to Oxford University has argued.

The article, published in the Journal of Medical Ethics, says newborn babies are not “actual persons” and do not have a “moral right to life”. The academics also argue that parents should be able to have their baby killed if it turns out to be disabled when it is born. 

The journal’s editor, Prof Julian Savulescu, director of the Oxford Uehiro Centre for Practical Ethics, said the article's authors had received death threats since publishing the article. He said those who made abusive and threatening posts about the study were “fanatics opposed to the very values of a liberal society”. 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9113394/Killing-babies-no-different-from-abortion-experts-say.html

See... here's the thing.  If you start sayin' it's okay to kill newborns, where do you draw the line?  5 minutes old?  30 minutes?  An hour?  A day? A month?  A year? Ten years?

Whether a newborn can be saved or not is a terrible decision and a very, very private one.  These knuckle-head academics have no right, no business and no call to be attempting to dictate to anyone what should or should not be done.

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Morally irrelevant?  That has to be a bunch of men.  I'll bet there isn't a woman among them.  Really, men have no business making decisions for women's bodies, or the product of their bodies.  

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 You didn't think I would let that slide, did you?  

Requiring employers to provide birth control is, in fact, making decisions about womens bodies... mainly that they shouldn't be having children.

Anyway, these over-educated morons aren't making decisions about womens bodies, they're trying to justify the murder of infants for any reason including whim.

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That is so off the wall, selling any product on the market isn't the sellers choice, it is the buyers choice. 

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And you are right April, there wasn't any women allowed to make the decision, swell isn't it.

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Morally irrelevant?  That has to be a bunch of men.  I'll bet there isn't a woman among them.  Really, men have no business making decisions for women's bodies, or the product of their bodies.

There were two authors of the article - one male (Dr Alberto Giubilini) and one female (Dr Francesca Minerva).

They are philosophers, not scientists.

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More stupid science.  
HESPERIA (CBSLA.com) — A UC Riverside study found that commercially cooked hamburgers cause more air pollution than diesel trucks.
The study, which focused on commercial charbroilers found in burger restaurants, said the equipment generates grease, smoke, water vapors and combustion products, which emit a large amount of particulate matter into the air.

“For comparison, an 18-wheeler diesel engine truck would have to drive 143 miles on the freeway to put out the same mass of particulates as a single charbroiled hamburger patty,” said Bill Welch, the principle engineer.

STUDY: Air Pollution From Grilled Burgers Worse Than Diesel Trucks... 

What is the point of this?  Is there any comparison between charbroiled goodness and the stink of an old commercial deisel engine?  Is the point supposed to be that a cooking hamberger is dirtier than a diesel engine or that a deisel engine is cleaner than a charbroiled burger?  

And if a cooking hamburger is dirtier than a diesel engine does that mean the epa is finally going to let the modern, super clean diesels into the country instead of making us make due with the old, giant diesel engines we have now?

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More stupid science.

A study has found that even when caught on a hook and wriggling, the fish is impervious to pain because it does not have the necessary brain power.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9797948/Fish-cannot-feel-pain-say-scientists.html

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Einstiens brain kept in two mayo jars for years. Stupid Science?

Einstein's autopsy was conducted in a lab at the University of Pennsylvania by pathologist Thomas Stoltz Harvey at Princeton shortly after his death in 1955. Harvey then removed, weighed and dissected Einstein's brain into several pieces; some of the pieces he kept to himself while others were given to leading pathologists. He claimed he hoped that cytoarchitectonics would reveal useful information.[2] Harvey injected 11.4% formalin through the internal carotid arteries and afterwards suspended the intact brain in 10% formalin. Harvey photographed the brain from many angles. He then dissected it into about 240 blocks (each about 1 cm3) and encased the segments in a plastic-like material called collodion.[3][4] Harvey also removed Einstein's eyes, and gave them to Henry Abrams.[2]
Whether or not Einstein's brain was removed and preserved with his prior consent is a matter of dispute. Ronald Clark's 1979 biography of Einstein said that "he had insisted that his brain should be used for research and that he be cremated", but more recent research has suggested that this may not be true and that the brain was removed and preserved with the permission of neither Einstein nor his close relatives. Hans Albert Einstein, the physicist’s son, endorsed the removal after the event, but insisted that his father’s brain should be used only for research to be published in scientific journals of high standing.[2]
In 1978, Einstein's brain was "rediscovered" in Dr. Harvey's possession by journalist Steven Levy.[5] The brain sections had been preserved in alcohol in two large mason jars within a cider box for over 20 years. A minor media sensation ensued, with reporters camping out for days on Dr. Harvey's lawn.
In 2010, Harvey's heirs transferred all of his holdings constituting the remains of Einstein's brain to the National Museum of Health and Medicine, including 14 photographs of the whole brain (which is now in fragments) never before revealed to the public.[6][7]

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Firstly, let me state for the record that I solidly support real science, that is the honest quest for understanding of the hows and whys of our universe.  Very little 'real' science is being done these days... it has become politicized and thus compromised.

Granted, economics is not known as the 'dismal science' for nothing but at the same time economics offers an awesome way to understand human behavior.

The following report isn't science, though it pretends to be.  
http://www.science20.com/news_articles/capitalism_kills_morality_and_so_does_socialism_say_economists-111691

Capitalism, more accurately called a free market economy, does not 'kill morality', it promotes morality & ethics.

The knucklehead 'economists' in this study offered a bunch of people an either/or choice;  get money to kill a mouse or get no money by not killing the mouse.

That is not capitalism... that is government.

You see, a mouse is property that has value.  To pay someone to destroy valuable property for no purpose and no reason... that's not a free market.  Only one side of the transaction receives a benefit;  the side that kills the mouse.

In a true free market transaction, both sides benefit or they simply would not participate.

Walter Williams described the free market like this; "Capitalism is relatively new in human history. Prior to capitalism, the way people amassed great wealth was by looting, plundering and enslaving their fellow man. Capitalism made it possible to become wealthy by serving your fellow man."

That seems pretty darn moral to me.

If both parties do not benefit in some way, the transaction does not occur... not unless coercion or violence is introduced and in that event, the free market is no longer free.  It doesn't matter whether the coercion or violence is introduced by an individual or a government, it's introduction signals the destruction of the free market... the end of its morality.

Therefore, the only legitimate role a government of any size has in a free market is to keep it free... that is, to prevent or punish those who would introduce fraud, coercion or violence.

In science as well as commerce, the rule is; let the buyer beware.  Just because the label says it's 'scientific' does not mean that it is not a fraud or just plain stupid.

A free market, true capitalism, isn't perfect but it's a damned sight better than any alternative yet invented.

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Scientists can also be genocidal and racist... as Dr. Williams shows.

http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/articles/13/UnderstandingLiberalsAndProgressives.htm

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Not sure if this is the best thread to post this information on - Dr. Roy Spencer plots the trends from the "climate models" since 1979 vs. actual observations:  http://www.drroyspencer.com/
The blue squares and green dots are actual measured values - note how every one of the climate models predicting rapid global warming have diverged pretty dramatically from actual measurements.  Interesting to note how all models have predicted much more warming than has occurred.  At the end of this website entry, Spencer states 
"Hundreds of millions of dollars that have gone into the expensive climate modelling enterprise has all but destroyed governmental funding of research into natural sources of climate change. For years the modelers have maintained that there is no such thing as natural climate change…yet they now, ironically, have to invoke natural climate forces to explain why surface warming has essentially stopped in the last 15 years!
Forgive me if I sound frustrated, but we scientists who still believe that climate change can also be naturally forced have been virtually cut out of funding and publication by the ‘humans-cause-everything-bad-that-happens’ juggernaut. The public who funds their work will not stand for their willful blindness much longer."

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Why did I post about birth control in a global warming thread?

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Is science stupid or are people stupid, scientiests who work at Monsanto, Dow, Philip Morris, Pfizer Con Agra, Shell, Exxon Chevron, Peabody Energy, Betty Crocker, Kraft, General Mills, KBR and so on are really really happy, they got you by the balls.

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Reply to katie5445 (06/08/2013 5:25 PM)

Is science stupid or are people stupid, scientiests ;who work at Monsanto, Dow, Philip Morris, Pfizer Con Agra, Shell, Exxon Chevron, Peabody Energy, Betty Crocker, Kraft, General Mills, KBR and so on are really really happy, they got you by the balls.

Inventing awesome stuff is 'got us by the balls?'

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Reply to Aprildaze (06/08/2013 6:12 AM)

Why did I post about birth control in a global warming thread?   

Perhaps because so many AGW alarmists are also 'over population' alarmists?

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Is science stupid or are people stupid, scientiests ;;who work at Monsanto, Dow, Philip Morris, Pfizer Con Agra, Shell, Exxon Chevron, Peabody Energy, Betty Crocker, Kraft, General Mills, KBR and so on are really really happy, they got you by the balls.

Inventing awesome stuff is 'got us by the balls?'

Awesome "stuff" is not the above, I haven't' walked in a Walmart and I'm still alive. The discovery of anesthesia is awesome, bacteria, electricity, relativity, quantum theory, the black hole, DNA, molecular fusion, the atom, your idea of awesome is crap and makes me realize young people know crap cause they are to tied into Walmart and Betty Crocker to know or give a rats behind the frigging difference between awesome rip off and I'm hurting your health because I've served you with a convenience for the day, age, times.

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Is science stupid or are people stupid, scientiests ;;who work at Monsanto, Dow, Philip Morris, Pfizer Con Agra, Shell, Exxon Chevron, Peabody Energy, Betty Crocker, Kraft, General Mills, KBR and so on are really really happy, they got you by the balls.

Inventing awesome stuff is 'got us by the balls?'

Awesome "stuff" is not the above, I haven't' walked in a Walmart and I'm still alive. The discovery of anesthesia is awesome, bacteria, electricity, relativity, quantum theory, the black hole, DNA, molecular fusion, the atom, your idea of awesome is crap and makes me realize young people know crap cause they are to tied into Walmart and Betty Crocker to know or give a rats behind the frigging difference between awesome rip off and I'm hurting your health because I've served you with a convenience for the day, age, times.
I really do not understand you.  You are complaining about the variety of products available to people?

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It is dependent on the product that's being sold.

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What is?  I'm really not following you here.

Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken

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She is bemoaning free choice, alaskaone.

Comment: Part of the present problem in Washington is the lack of compromise. Response: It's always better for the bully when the bullied does not resist, isn't it?

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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Date Posted：02/19/2012 6:28 AMCopy HTML The USFS says 'global warming' is killing off yellow cedars in S.E. Alaska and B.C., Canada by causing their roots to freeze due to lack of snow cover. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46439567/ns/us_news-environment/ In S.E. Alaska, there is very little soil and what soil there is, is very nutrient poor and doesn't hold water very well. It can rain for 40 days straight there but 4 hours after the sun comes out, you'll have dust blowing in your face. Snow on the ground type winter is usually 3 months or so in Juneau and about two months in Ketchikan. You should also know that trees in this part of the world don't have tap roots because... well, under the inch or two of 'soil' we have up here is solid rock. This entire part of the world emerged out from under glaciers and ice fields about 12,000 years ago... not enough time to build up soil. The theory that lack of snow cover causes the roots to freeze is kinda goofy. The root wad of cedar trees isn't that much larger than the diameter of their branches... I know this because I've seen them after they have fallen over in high winds. Additionally, coniferous trees shed snow pretty well. Alaskans know if you are stranded in the bush in the snow, nice shelter can be found at the base of coniferous trees because the snow that sheds off the tree builds a nice wall around the base... once you're inside there, you are well sheltered. Generally speaking, the world makes sense. Things happen for reasons that are generally not that hard to figure out. So when a group of 'scientists' tell me something that makes no obvious sense... is it not reasonable to question their results? Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：USA Register：11/12/2008 9:38 PM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：02/19/2012 12:01 PMCopy HTML You explained the science well if that is the case. Where is the problem? jing
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：02/19/2012 12:35 PMCopy HTML I'm just like... what the hell? People believe this stuff? It's clearly not true. It might be true that there is a die-off of cedar trees going on... I have to take their word on that. But their reasoning is... it just doesn't hold water. 1)Temperatures drop below freezing... often way below freezing... before snow falls. It has always been that way. Clear skies in Alaska mean cold, cold, cold in the winter time. Yet we're to believe, all of the sudden, cedar trees can't take it? It isn't raining any less in S.E. Alaska. It isn't snowing any less in S.E. Alaska. 2)The bulk of the roots of coniferous trees are under the branches. Those branches shed the snow outward so the ground directly under them is relatively snow free all the time. 3)The forest service, when it doesn't sell off vast acreages for clear cutting by louisiana pacific, suppresses wildfires and prevents small time logging. This means what remains upright is getting older and older and older. The feds stole the Tongass back in 1907... What is happening to the old cedar trees, I have no idea but I'm pretty sure 'global warming' has nothing to do with it. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：3843 Posts：3723 From：USA Register：12/05/2008 3:35 AM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：02/19/2012 1:20 PMCopy HTML Interesting article here: http://oleaeuropea.wordpress.com/2011/01/20/how-do-trees-survive-the-cold/ I found it by googling "how cedar trees survive the cold". Comment: Part of the present problem in Washington is the lack of compromise. Response: It's always better for the bully when the bullied does not resist, isn't it?
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：02/19/2012 1:47 PMCopy HTML You cunning bastard! Actually, the article reveals a possible cause of the die offs. For the last 10 to 15 years, Alaska and B.C. have been experiencing periodic chinooks... repeatedly... throughout the winter. Chinook winds, not the fish, are warm and wet masses of air that come howling up from the lower lats. In a matter of a few hours, they can cause a -40F day to reach up into the 30's, 40's and even fifties. The article you linked to says trees are vulnerable to rapid freeze/thaw cycles... we've been having lots of them. Perhaps the Cedar, as tough a tree as you could like when it comes to water and bugs, isn't quite so tough when it comes to relatively rapid temperature changes? Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：17452 Posts：17428 From：USA Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：02/19/2012 4:42 PMCopy HTML Why is it goofy that shallow roots are protected by the insulation of snow. If your up in a mountain lost in the snow, what's the best way to save yourself from hypothermia? Build a snow cave.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：3625 Posts：3475 From：United Kingdom Register：12/04/2008 10:50 PM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：02/19/2012 5:41 PMCopy HTML What is wrong with dead cedar anyway?
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Rank：TAE Member Score：3843 Posts：3723 From：USA Register：12/05/2008 3:35 AM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：02/19/2012 7:44 PMCopy HTML Reply to alaskaone (02/19/2012 7:47 AM) You cunning bastard! Actually, the article reveals a possible cause of the die offs. For the last 10 to 15 years, Alaska and B.C. have been experiencing periodic chinooks... repeatedly... throughout the winter. Chinook winds, not the fish, are warm and wet masses of air that come howling up from the lower lats. In a matter of a few hours, they can cause a -40F day to reach up into the 30's, 40's and even fifties. The article you linked to says trees are vulnerable to rapid freeze/thaw cycles... we've been having lots of them. Perhaps the Cedar, as tough a tree as you could like when it comes to water and bugs, isn't quite so tough when it comes to relatively rapid temperature changes? That's what I took away - and such a die off will leave a hardier cedar for the future. Isn't Alaska experiencing a much more harsh winter this year? I believe Siberia is as well. The lower 48 states have had a mild winter. Comment: Part of the present problem in Washington is the lack of compromise. Response: It's always better for the bully when the bullied does not resist, isn't it?
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Rank：TAE Member Score：3843 Posts：3723 From：USA Register：12/05/2008 3:35 AM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：02/19/2012 7:46 PMCopy HTML Reply to katie5445 (02/19/2012 10:42 AM) Why is it goofy that shallow roots are protected by the insulation of snow. If your up in a mountain lost in the snow, what's the best way to save yourself from hypothermia? Build a snow cave. There is nothing goofy about that - however, the cedars have often experienced harsh cold weather without snow cover, and didn't die off. Apparently the key is for the temperature to change slow enough such that the tree goes dormant - drying itself out such that ice crystals don't form when the roots freeze. If the roots are wet and the tree active, and a freeze occurs - that's a problem for them. Comment: Part of the present problem in Washington is the lack of compromise. Response: It's always better for the bully when the bullied does not resist, isn't it?
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：09/21/2018 12:36 AM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：02/20/2012 6:36 AMCopy HTML "The right to search for truth implies also a duty; one must not conceal any part of what one has recognized to be true." --Albert Einstein this is the scientific principle that all these charlatans peddling "man made global warming" have forsaken.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：03/02/2012 9:13 AMCopy HTML See... this is so profoundly fucked up that only a 'highly educated' person could come up with it. Parents should be allowed to have their newborn babies killed because they are “morally irrelevant” and ending their lives is no different to abortion, a group of medical ethicists linked to Oxford University has argued. The article, published in the Journal of Medical Ethics, says newborn babies are not “actual persons” and do not have a “moral right to life”. The academics also argue that parents should be able to have their baby killed if it turns out to be disabled when it is born. The journal’s editor, Prof Julian Savulescu, director of the Oxford Uehiro Centre for Practical Ethics, said the article's authors had received death threats since publishing the article. He said those who made abusive and threatening posts about the study were “fanatics opposed to the very values of a liberal society”. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9113394/Killing-babies-no-different-from-abortion-experts-say.html See... here's the thing. If you start sayin' it's okay to kill newborns, where do you draw the line? 5 minutes old? 30 minutes? An hour? A day? A month? A year? Ten years? Whether a newborn can be saved or not is a terrible decision and a very, very private one. These knuckle-head academics have no right, no business and no call to be attempting to dictate to anyone what should or should not be done. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：09/21/2018 12:36 AM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：03/02/2012 12:51 PMCopy HTML Morally irrelevant? That has to be a bunch of men. I'll bet there isn't a woman among them. Really, men have no business making decisions for women's bodies, or the product of their bodies.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：03/02/2012 1:18 PMCopy HTML You didn't think I would let that slide, did you? Requiring employers to provide birth control is, in fact, making decisions about womens bodies... mainly that they shouldn't be having children. Anyway, these over-educated morons aren't making decisions about womens bodies, they're trying to justify the murder of infants for any reason including whim. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：17452 Posts：17428 From：USA Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：03/02/2012 4:44 PMCopy HTML That is so off the wall, selling any product on the market isn't the sellers choice, it is the buyers choice.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：17452 Posts：17428 From：USA Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：03/02/2012 4:45 PMCopy HTML And you are right April, there wasn't any women allowed to make the decision, swell isn't it.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：3843 Posts：3723 From：USA Register：12/05/2008 3:35 AM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：03/03/2012 1:44 AMCopy HTML Reply to Aprildaze (03/02/2012 6:51 AM) Morally irrelevant? That has to be a bunch of men. I'll bet there isn't a woman among them. Really, men have no business making decisions for women's bodies, or the product of their bodies. There were two authors of the article - one male (Dr Alberto Giubilini) and one female (Dr Francesca Minerva). They are philosophers, not scientists. Comment: Part of the present problem in Washington is the lack of compromise. Response: It's always better for the bully when the bullied does not resist, isn't it?
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：09/20/2012 4:00 AMCopy HTML More stupid science. HESPERIA (CBSLA.com) — A UC Riverside study found that commercially cooked hamburgers cause more air pollution than diesel trucks. The study, which focused on commercial charbroilers found in burger restaurants, said the equipment generates grease, smoke, water vapors and combustion products, which emit a large amount of particulate matter into the air. “For comparison, an 18-wheeler diesel engine truck would have to drive 143 miles on the freeway to put out the same mass of particulates as a single charbroiled hamburger patty,” said Bill Welch, the principle engineer. STUDY: Air Pollution From Grilled Burgers Worse Than Diesel Trucks... What is the point of this? Is there any comparison between charbroiled goodness and the stink of an old commercial deisel engine? Is the point supposed to be that a cooking hamberger is dirtier than a diesel engine or that a deisel engine is cleaner than a charbroiled burger? And if a cooking hamburger is dirtier than a diesel engine does that mean the epa is finally going to let the modern, super clean diesels into the country instead of making us make due with the old, giant diesel engines we have now? Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：01/21/2013 4:43 AMCopy HTML More stupid science. A study has found that even when caught on a hook and wriggling, the fish is impervious to pain because it does not have the necessary brain power. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9797948/Fish-cannot-feel-pain-say-scientists.html Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：5480 Posts：5028 From：USA Register：11/22/2008 3:20 PM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：01/21/2013 3:50 PMCopy HTML Einstiens brain kept in two mayo jars for years. Stupid Science? Einstein's autopsy was conducted in a lab at the University of Pennsylvania by pathologist Thomas Stoltz Harvey at Princeton shortly after his death in 1955. Harvey then removed, weighed and dissected Einstein's brain into several pieces; some of the pieces he kept to himself while others were given to leading pathologists. He claimed he hoped that cytoarchitectonics would reveal useful information.^[2] Harvey injected 11.4% formalin through the internal carotid arteries and afterwards suspended the intact brain in 10% formalin. Harvey photographed the brain from many angles. He then dissected it into about 240 blocks (each about 1 cm³) and encased the segments in a plastic-like material called collodion.^[3]^[4] Harvey also removed Einstein's eyes, and gave them to Henry Abrams.^[2] Whether or not Einstein's brain was removed and preserved with his prior consent is a matter of dispute. Ronald Clark's 1979 biography of Einstein said that "he had insisted that his brain should be used for research and that he be cremated", but more recent research has suggested that this may not be true and that the brain was removed and preserved with the permission of neither Einstein nor his close relatives. Hans Albert Einstein, the physicist’s son, endorsed the removal after the event, but insisted that his father’s brain should be used only for research to be published in scientific journals of high standing.^[2] In 1978, Einstein's brain was "rediscovered" in Dr. Harvey's possession by journalist Steven Levy.^[5] The brain sections had been preserved in alcohol in two large mason jars within a cider box for over 20 years. A minor media sensation ensued, with reporters camping out for days on Dr. Harvey's lawn. In 2010, Harvey's heirs transferred all of his holdings constituting the remains of Einstein's brain to the National Museum of Health and Medicine, including 14 photographs of the whole brain (which is now in fragments) never before revealed to the public.^[6]^[7]
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：05/12/2013 6:18 AMCopy HTML Firstly, let me state for the record that I solidly support real science, that is the honest quest for understanding of the hows and whys of our universe. Very little 'real' science is being done these days... it has become politicized and thus compromised. Granted, economics is not known as the 'dismal science' for nothing but at the same time economics offers an awesome way to understand human behavior. The following report isn't science, though it pretends to be. http://www.science20.com/news_articles/capitalism_kills_morality_and_so_does_socialism_say_economists-111691 Capitalism, more accurately called a free market economy, does not 'kill morality', it promotes morality & ethics. The knucklehead 'economists' in this study offered a bunch of people an either/or choice; get money to kill a mouse or get no money by not killing the mouse. That is not capitalism... that is government. You see, a mouse is property that has value. To pay someone to destroy valuable property for no purpose and no reason... that's not a free market. Only one side of the transaction receives a benefit; the side that kills the mouse. In a true free market transaction, both sides benefit or they simply would not participate. Walter Williams described the free market like this; "Capitalism is relatively new in human history. Prior to capitalism, the way people amassed great wealth was by looting, plundering and enslaving their fellow man. Capitalism made it possible to become wealthy by serving your fellow man." That seems pretty darn moral to me. If both parties do not benefit in some way, the transaction does not occur... not unless coercion or violence is introduced and in that event, the free market is no longer free. It doesn't matter whether the coercion or violence is introduced by an individual or a government, it's introduction signals the destruction of the free market... the end of its morality. Therefore, the only legitimate role a government of any size has in a free market is to keep it free... that is, to prevent or punish those who would introduce fraud, coercion or violence. In science as well as commerce, the rule is; let the buyer beware. Just because the label says it's 'scientific' does not mean that it is not a fraud or just plain stupid. A free market, true capitalism, isn't perfect but it's a damned sight better than any alternative yet invented. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：06/07/2013 6:02 AMCopy HTML Scientists can also be genocidal and racist... as Dr. Williams shows. http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/articles/13/UnderstandingLiberalsAndProgressives.htm Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：3843 Posts：3723 From：USA Register：12/05/2008 3:35 AM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：06/08/2013 10:53 AMCopy HTML Not sure if this is the best thread to post this information on - Dr. Roy Spencer plots the trends from the "climate models" since 1979 vs. actual observations: http://www.drroyspencer.com/ The blue squares and green dots are actual measured values - note how every one of the climate models predicting rapid global warming have diverged pretty dramatically from actual measurements. Interesting to note how all models have predicted much more warming than has occurred. At the end of this website entry, Spencer states "Hundreds of millions of dollars that have gone into the expensive climate modelling enterprise has all but destroyed governmental funding of research into natural sources of climate change. For years the modelers have maintained that there is no such thing as natural climate change…yet they now, ironically, have to invoke natural climate forces to explain why surface warming has essentially stopped in the last 15 years! Forgive me if I sound frustrated, but we scientists who still believe that climate change can also be naturally forced have been virtually cut out of funding and publication by the ‘humans-cause-everything-bad-that-happens’ juggernaut. The public who funds their work will not stand for their willful blindness much longer." Comment: Part of the present problem in Washington is the lack of compromise. Response: It's always better for the bully when the bullied does not resist, isn't it?
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：06/08/2013 3:12 PMCopy HTML Why did I post about birth control in a global warming thread? Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
katie5445	Share to: #23
Rank：TAE Member Score：17452 Posts：17428 From：USA Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：06/09/2013 2:25 AMCopy HTML Is science stupid or are people stupid, scientiests who work at Monsanto, Dow, Philip Morris, Pfizer Con Agra, Shell, Exxon Chevron, Peabody Energy, Betty Crocker, Kraft, General Mills, KBR and so on are really really happy, they got you by the balls.
alaskaone	Share to: #24
Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：06/09/2013 2:59 AMCopy HTML Reply to katie5445 (06/08/2013 5:25 PM) Is science stupid or are people stupid, scientiests ;who work at Monsanto, Dow, Philip Morris, Pfizer Con Agra, Shell, Exxon Chevron, Peabody Energy, Betty Crocker, Kraft, General Mills, KBR and so on are really really happy, they got you by the balls. Inventing awesome stuff is 'got us by the balls?' Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
alaskaone	Share to: #25
Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：06/09/2013 3:05 AMCopy HTML Reply to Aprildaze (06/08/2013 6:12 AM) Why did I post about birth control in a global warming thread? Perhaps because so many AGW alarmists are also 'over population' alarmists? Welcome back, btw. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：17452 Posts：17428 From：USA Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：06/09/2013 4:09 AMCopy HTML Reply to alaskaone (06/08/2013 7:59 PM) Reply to katie5445 (06/08/2013 5:25 PM) Is science stupid or are people stupid, scientiests ;;who work at Monsanto, Dow, Philip Morris, Pfizer Con Agra, Shell, Exxon Chevron, Peabody Energy, Betty Crocker, Kraft, General Mills, KBR and so on are really really happy, they got you by the balls. Inventing awesome stuff is 'got us by the balls?' Awesome "stuff" is not the above, I haven't' walked in a Walmart and I'm still alive. The discovery of anesthesia is awesome, bacteria, electricity, relativity, quantum theory, the black hole, DNA, molecular fusion, the atom, your idea of awesome is crap and makes me realize young people know crap cause they are to tied into Walmart and Betty Crocker to know or give a rats behind the frigging difference between awesome rip off and I'm hurting your health because I've served you with a convenience for the day, age, times.
alaskaone	Share to: #27
Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：06/09/2013 4:29 AMCopy HTML Reply to katie5445 (06/08/2013 7:09 PM) Reply to alaskaone (06/08/2013 7:59 PM) Reply to katie5445 (06/08/2013 5:25 PM) Is science stupid or are people stupid, scientiests ;;who work at Monsanto, Dow, Philip Morris, Pfizer Con Agra, Shell, Exxon Chevron, Peabody Energy, Betty Crocker, Kraft, General Mills, KBR and so on are really really happy, they got you by the balls. Inventing awesome stuff is 'got us by the balls?' Awesome "stuff" is not the above, I haven't' walked in a Walmart and I'm still alive. The discovery of anesthesia is awesome, bacteria, electricity, relativity, quantum theory, the black hole, DNA, molecular fusion, the atom, your idea of awesome is crap and makes me realize young people know crap cause they are to tied into Walmart and Betty Crocker to know or give a rats behind the frigging difference between awesome rip off and I'm hurting your health because I've served you with a convenience for the day, age, times. I really do not understand you. You are complaining about the variety of products available to people? Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：17452 Posts：17428 From：USA Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：06/09/2013 4:48 AMCopy HTML It is dependent on the product that's being sold.
alaskaone	Share to: #29
Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：06/09/2013 4:50 AMCopy HTML What is? I'm really not following you here. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：3843 Posts：3723 From：USA Register：12/05/2008 3:35 AM	Re：When science is stupid. Date Posted：06/09/2013 8:38 PMCopy HTML She is bemoaning free choice, alaskaone. Comment: Part of the present problem in Washington is the lack of compromise. Response: It's always better for the bully when the bullied does not resist, isn't it?