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I'm collecting in this thread interesting speeches, lectures and viewpoints from people on youtube.  Well, interesting to me, anyway.  Here's the video that inspired this thread.

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If you haven’t heard, South Africa amended its constitution to strip white farmers of their land a few days ago.
Shall we start the clock on famine in S.A.?
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Date Posted:03/07/2018 3:14 AMCopy HTML

 whites had the power in SA for awhile but they lost it. well maybe, there will be a famine there. it is is the way of life that it increases until famines reduces its numbers.
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 whites had the power in SA for awhile but they lost it. well maybe, there will be a famine there. it is is the way of life that it increases until famines reduces its numbers.

I disagree. If there’s a famine it will be the result of  wanton disrespect for property rights and identity politics.  It will not be a natural occurrence it will be a direct result of government actions.
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An interesting idea toward the end of this video.  A few centuries ago, we decoupled religion from government.  Mr. Ver suggests we would be well served decoupling money from government, too.
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 i disagree. i live in a major grain producing state. sometimes there isn't enough rainfall and other times there is too much rain. sometimes the weather is just right for a bumper harvest. I recall there was such awhile back. there was so much grain, the famers couldn't sell it all. and they were running out of storage space. and then there was a dry spell. not enough grain to feed cattle. a lot of farmers had to sell their livestock at a loss.
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You disagree with what?

In no western nation has there ever been a real famine.  They occur only in third world nations, nations in which governments have stripped farmers of their land and prevented relief efforts.

If, in your grain producing state, the government yanked all the farmers off their land and gave it to... lets say, city folks... grain production in your state would drop to zero.  If, at the same time, your government blocked imports of food, famine would happen.
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 true the west hasn't had a famine after 1900. there was that potato famine in ireland. which was caused by england. the rulers of england allowed the population there to increase beyond its ability to produce food. this was a week spot during the two world wars. 

the west controls the world. many weaker nations are forced to grow cash crops for sale to corporate imperialists.
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Reply to Knightly (03/08/2018 9:26 PM)

 true the west hasn't had a famine after 1900. there was that potato famine in ireland. which was caused by england. the rulers of england allowed the population there to increase beyond its ability to produce food. this was a week spot during the two world wars.

It's my understanding the potato famine in Ireland was due to 2 things.  1) Potato blight and 2) England exporting food during that period, deliberately, to decimate the Irish who were then, as now, a bunch of drunken trouble makers.

the west controls the world. many weaker nations are forced to grow cash crops for sale to corporate imperialists.

We are not 'forcing' anyone to grow anything.  We are, however, occupying the entire world with nearly 800 military bases in about 70 nations.  Unka sam is a bad guy, the most aggressive nation on earth to be sure but we're not 'forcing' anyone to grow anything.

Well, we're making cocoa very lucrative with our drug war but even that is 'voluntary' on the part of the growers.



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 the potato was the only group most irish farmers could grow. the english had taken much of the irish farm land to raise cattle for export to england. it isn't a good idea to rely on just one crop for a food source.

the northmen did the same when they conquered england from the saxons. the saxons were turn in to serfs. the best lands were taken  by the northmen. 

what, you got a thing against the irish?
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What he said.
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Reply to Knightly (03/09/2018 6:26 AM)

 true the west hasn't had a famine after 1900. there was that potato famine in ireland. which was caused by england. the rulers of england allowed the population there to increase beyond its ability to produce food. this was a week spot during the two world wars. 
the west controls the world. many weaker nations are forced to grow cash crops for sale to corporate imperialists.

.... there was that potato famine in Ireland. which was caused by England...........
Oh no it wasn't! - it was caused by migrants from south of the Rio Grande - https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070302082530.htm

I am not convinced that genocide or whatever to limit population growth would have been all that popular.

As for food imports/exports;


.......In fact, far more grain entered Ireland from abroad in the late 1840s than was exported-probably almost three times as much grain and meal came in as went out........ 
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That's funny.  Snopes investigates a report that CNN has purchased a washing machine to spin the news.

The left really does utterly lack a sense of humor.
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Mark Dice has as many viewers as CNN!  Admittedly a 5 minute slot is not the same as 24 hours per day but CNN really is on the slide.
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Found this today, a breath of fresh air...

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Why American infant mortality rates are so high

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/10/161013103132.htm

............. Generally, especially compared to the worldwide statistics, American babies have good survival rates in their first few weeks of life. It is only after they reach one month of age that differences between the United States and other developed countries start to widen.............

...........Social programs in many European countries that provide free home visits from nurses for new parents might help increase protective factors and decrease risky ones. The nurses can give the baby a checkup, but perhaps more importantly, they can provide advice for preventing SIDS and can inspect the home for possible hazards. Although some of these home-visit programs exist in the United States, they are not nearly as widespread as they are in other countries.

"We have considerable research evidence of the beneficial effects of home nurse visits for new moms, with special emphasis on the health benefits to their children," said Lisako McKyer, PhD, associate dean for climate and diversity and associate professor at the Texas A&M School of Public Health. "For example, research reveals that infants in homes which experienced regular visits from nurses and similar paraprofessionals had better psychological outcomes for both mother and infant, which means lower health care costs over the course of their lives."

Part of the answer for different mortality rates may also lie in differing breast-feeding rates. Some European countries, especially those in Central Europe, have higher rates of babies being exclusively breastfed for the first six months of their lives. "As the Academy of Pediatrics says, breast is best," Sicilio emphasizes.

Home nurse visits may be beneficial here as well, as studies have shown that they are linked to higher breastfeeding rates. Home nurse visits also seem to be very important to the most vulnerable segments of society, including teen mothers and those coping with addiction or other problems. "Visits to the vulnerable were especially valuable," McKyer said. "They help to ameliorate the effects of other stressors on new moms and their infants and tend to result in safer home environments for children."...........>

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Why American infant mortality rates are so high

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/10/161013103132.htm

............. Generally, especially compared to the worldwide statistics, American babies have good survival rates in their first few weeks of life. It is only after they reach one month of age that differences between the United States and other developed countries start to widen.............

Then infant mortality rates aren't "so high" at all, are they?

...........Social programs in many European countries that provide free home visits from nurses for new parents might help increase protective factors and decrease risky ones. The nurses can give the baby a checkup, but perhaps more importantly, they can provide advice for preventing SIDS and can inspect the home for possible hazards. Although some of these home-visit programs exist in the United States, they are not nearly as widespread as they are in other countries.

Because SIDS is such a secret?  And an 'inspection for possible hazards' is going to prevent accidents... how? 

"We have considerable research evidence of the beneficial effects of home nurse visits for new moms, with special emphasis on the health benefits to their children," said Lisako McKyer, PhD, associate dean for climate and diversity and associate professor at the Texas A&M School of Public Health. "For example, research reveals that infants in homes which experienced regular visits from nurses and similar paraprofessionals had better psychological outcomes for both mother and infant, which means lower health care costs over the course of their lives."

I'm sorry... a what?  Associate dean for climate and diversity?

Part of the answer for different mortality rates may also lie in differing breast-feeding rates. Some European countries, especially those in Central Europe, have higher rates of babies being exclusively breastfed for the first six months of their lives. "As the Academy of Pediatrics says, breast is best," Sicilio emphasizes.

Ummm, yes?  Is Sicilio suggesting that if an infant isn't breast fed, it's going to die?

Home nurse visits may be beneficial here as well, as studies have shown that they are linked to higher breastfeeding rates. Home nurse visits also seem to be very important to the most vulnerable segments of society, including teen mothers and those coping with addiction or other problems. "Visits to the vulnerable were especially valuable," McKyer said. "They help to ameliorate the effects of other stressors on new moms and their infants and tend to result in safer home environments for children."...........>

Yes, they result in infants being taken from incompetent mothers or bad situations and that would, of course, have some effect upon mortality rates.

It's my understanding, however, that the UK is short several hundred thousand nurses.  How many of those 'home visits' are actually getting done, I wonder?

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest there are other factors at play here than what the author entertains.



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Why American infant mortality rates are so high

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/10/161013103132.htm

............. Generally, especially compared to the worldwide statistics, American babies have good survival rates in their first few weeks of life. It is only after they reach one month of age that differences between the United States and other developed countries start to widen.............

Then infant mortality rates aren't "so high" at all, are they?

It is all relative, as Einstein would say.

...........Social programs in many European countries that provide free home visits from nurses for new parents might help increase protective factors and decrease risky ones. The nurses can give the baby a checkup, but perhaps more importantly, they can provide advice for preventing SIDS and can inspect the home for possible hazards. Although some of these home-visit programs exist in the United States, they are not nearly as widespread as they are in other countries.

Because SIDS is such a secret?  And an 'inspection for possible hazards' is going to prevent accidents... how? 

SIDS is not fully understood - and the figures speak for themselves, intervention makes a difference;

https://www.nytimes.com/1993/08/10/science/sleeping-face-down-seems-to-put-babies-at-risk-studies-say.html

.............In Britain, the incidence of crib death was halved in 1992, the year following a campaign led by Anne Diamond, a television personality who lost a baby to crib death. In that year, the incidence fell to 456 cases, from 912 in 1991..........

"We have considerable research evidence of the beneficial effects of home nurse visits for new moms, with special emphasis on the health benefits to their children," said Lisako McKyer, PhD, associate dean for climate and diversity and associate professor at the Texas A&M School of Public Health. "For example, research reveals that infants in homes which experienced regular visits from nurses and similar paraprofessionals had better psychological outcomes for both mother and infant, which means lower health care costs over the course of their lives."

I'm sorry... a what?  Associate dean for climate and diversity?

Er, ok, that is a bit suspicious!


Still, if you prefer an alternative source;


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Part of the answer for different mortality rates may also lie in differing breast-feeding rates. Some European countries, especially those in Central Europe, have higher rates of babies being exclusively breastfed for the first six months of their lives. "As the Academy of Pediatrics says, breast is best," Sicilio emphasizes.

Ummm, yes?  Is Sicilio suggesting that if an infant isn't breast fed, it's going to die?

It is all relative, as Einstein would say.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/health/breastfeeding-can-halve-risk-cot-11928801

Home nurse visits may be beneficial here as well, as studies have shown that they are linked to higher breastfeeding rates. Home nurse visits also seem to be very important to the most vulnerable segments of society, including teen mothers and those coping with addiction or other problems. "Visits to the vulnerable were especially valuable," McKyer said. "They help to ameliorate the effects of other stressors on new moms and their infants and tend to result in safer home environments for children."...........>

Yes, they result in infants being taken from incompetent mothers or bad situations and that would, of course, have some effect upon mortality rates.

It's my understanding, however, that the UK is short several hundred thousand nurses.  How many of those 'home visits' are actually getting done, I wonder?

The NHS has  been on the brink of collapse for the pas 60 years.  As the old saying goes "The situation is hopeless - but not serious"


I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest there are other factors at play here than what the author entertains.

Druggies, obesity, a bit but the US obtains exceptionally poor value for money when it comes to health care.





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I would suggest quite the contrary... we tend to get what we pay for and part of the obscene costs is the fact that hospitals use 'those who can pay' to subsidize those who can't.  There are other factors, too, that contribute greatly;  third party payer systems like insurance and government, huge educational costs, lawsuits, crony capitalism and rent seeking by hospitals.  The hospital model itself.

Using infant mortality rates seems like a good hallmark on the surface but once you delve into it... it isn't.  There are large variations in definitions across countries.  If the US were to use French definitions, for example, then every infant under 22 inches long would disappear from the US statistics.  We count them, France does not.

Rumor coming across the Atlantic is that the NHS has been caught euthanizing old folk... against their will... via withholding of food and water.  Same as they do with newborns with fatal genetic defects.  Are those rumors true, do you know?
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Differences in how deaths are classified are on public recorded and can be standardized across the board, if one is willing to take the time.  The US does climb the table (a bit) when that is done but it is still very much in the average zone.  One would expect the largest population unit (the US) in the advanced world to be average (a statistical tendency towards the mean) and smaller units to be at the extremes.  All very predictable.  The US just pays twice as much to achieve the average.

As regards euthanasia that is a philosophical issue.  As regards the numbers they cannot be that high (even if true)


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Differences in how deaths are classified are on public recorded and can be standardized across the board, if one is willing to take the time.

It's not really just a matter of 'taking the time'.  You'd have to delve into reporting criteria in multiple nations with multiple languages.  As with infant mortality, when we look into such things, the truth often is quite different from the PR.

The US does climb the table (a bit) when that is done but it is still very much in the average zone.  One would expect the largest population unit (the US) in the advanced world to be average (a statistical tendency towards the mean) and smaller units to be at the extremes.

Isn't why that stats are extrapolated out to, 'per 100,000', to counter what you've described?

All very predictable.  The US just pays twice as much to achieve the average.

Ever been in a US hospital?  I've never been in a UK hospital... what's it like, typically?

As regards euthanasia that is a philosophical issue. 

I'm thinking involuntary euthanasia is rather more than that.

As regards the numbers they cannot be that high (even if true)

Let's hope.


2015 data

We have a bit of a problem with gangs in this country as well as young black males seemingly determined to get themselves killed or imprisoned before age 25.  Both seem to be primarily phenomena of a handful of large cities rather than representative of life across a very large nation.  Factor them out and our stats get way better as far as life expectancy.
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Differences in how deaths are classified are on public recorded and can be standardized across the board, if one is willing to take the time.

It's not really just a matter of 'taking the time'.  You'd have to delve into reporting criteria in multiple nations with multiple languages.  As with infant mortality, when we look into such things, the truth often is quite different from the PR.

People have been doing it for decades.

The US does climb the table (a bit) when that is done but it is still very much in the average zone.  One would expect the largest population unit (the US) in the advanced world to be average (a statistical tendency towards the mean) and smaller units to be at the extremes.

Isn't why that stats are extrapolated out to, 'per 100,000', to counter what you've described?

"Per 100,000"just standardizes the comparisons, it does not explain why big units tend towards the average and small units tend towards the extremes.

All very predictable.  The US just pays twice as much to achieve the average.

Ever been in a US hospital?  I've never been in a UK hospital... what's it like, typically?

I have only been to an emergency room once for myself in the UK (aged 65) so I cannot compare.  I am still here.  I would not be too impressed by the bricks and mortar aspect, it is the skills of the personnel that matters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
2015 data

We have a bit of a problem with gangs in this country as well as young black males seemingly determined to get themselves killed or imprisoned before age 25.  Both seem to be primarily phenomena of a handful of large cities rather than representative of life across a very large nation.  Factor them out and our stats get way better as far as life expectancy.

It is not genetic;


The city recorded in 2017 its lowest number of homicides since the end of World War II — just under 300 killings in a year that also saw the smallest number of shootings recorded in the five borough’s modern history.

By midnight of New Year’s Eve, police were expected to report 290 homicides, down 12.5 percent from 334 reported in 2016. Barring any last minute adjustment, New York will have a murder rate of just over 3.4 per 100,000 population, the lowest of any of the nation’s five largest cities.

“It is nothing short of amazing,” NYPD Commissioner James O’Neill said earlier in December about the historic crime trends.

By comparison, Chicago, which through December 24 had reported 644 killings in a city with about one-third the population of New York City, has a preliminary homicide rate of 23.8. Chicago also will have at least 2,758 shootings in 2017, compared with just under 800 for New York, a drop of about 15 percent from 2016..........>

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