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Date Posted:01/19/2015 4:41 AMCopy HTML

Looking at the nations of Europe, it doesn't appear so.  Yet in the US, we've not experienced what is happening in the EU.  

For the last 50 years or so, the European nations have had an 'open arms' approach to immigration mostly, I speculate, because their welfare programs are so burdensome that they had no other choice.

Working people were overwhelmed by those 'on the dole'.  Unfortunately, unlike in America, the new citizens didn't turn out to be industrious but instead went 'on the dole' themselves.  Germany, for example, experienced this: "in the early 1970s, 2 million of the 3 million foreigners in Germany were in the labor force; by the turn of this century, 2 million of 7.5 million were."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/europe-immigration-and-islam-europes-crisis-of-faith-1421450060

Some have speculated the clashes between islam and western people don't start occurring until the percentages reach a certain ratio... in other words, the numbers of adherents become sufficient to be a viable force within a nation.

Is there anything about islam that isn't anathema to western society, values and ethics?  All I know of the religion is just what I see;  women abused, homosexuals murdered, stupid rituals and a penchant toward authoritarianism.  Is there anything redeeming about this cult? 
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Re:can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted:01/19/2015 5:04 AMCopy HTML

 No.
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Re:can islam and western cultures co-exist?

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Nice speculation, but there is another factor. The Euro weenies are riddled with white guilt over their centuries of empire. By turning their former subjects into citizens have eased that. Of course mud people have never been good citizens & better left as subjects. That is evidenced by the chaos in Africa & the middle east where they have demonstrated that they cannot govern themselves.


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Re:can islam and western cultures co-exist?

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Hell no!

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Re:can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted:01/19/2015 11:34 PMCopy HTML

 Strict catholicism and christianity cannot co-exist with western culture.   Only in they're milder forms do they cease witch burnings, inquisitions, and other genocides.  


islam in it's present form simply cannot co-exist with any culture on earth, even islam.   islam is in need of a protestant movement, more muslims who will agree to be muslim but refuse to take the koran literally and only believe in it on holidays and special occasions.  
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Re:can islam and western cultures co-exist?

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I partially agree, it is the Arab and N. African countries and obviously we must change the way we do business. They fight each other, we fight them, their fight escalates encompassing more and more radical Muslims of various groups/tribes, vicious circle.
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Re:can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted:01/20/2015 1:41 PMCopy HTML

 since we know that Islamist cannot co-exist with any culture, why the hell do WE keep importing more and more of them?  Look at what has happened to immigration from the M.E. since the bloodthirsty bastards murdered thousands of us in one day.
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Re:can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted:01/20/2015 10:10 PMCopy HTML

 We should invite any muslim that want to come to the u.s., and as soon as they set foot on our soil shoot them.  

But people call me extreme.  
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Ya think?
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Date Posted:02/01/2015 6:44 PMCopy HTML

 maybe a wee tad~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Reply to Segovia_del_Prado (01/20/2015 5:41 AM)

 since we know that Islamist cannot co-exist with any culture, why the hell do WE keep importing more and more of them?  Look at what has happened to immigration from the M.E. since the bloodthirsty bastards murdered thousands of us in one day.

If they cannot co exist with our culture, why haven't the 6 or 7 million here let us know? Seems to me expat Muslims are making money hand over foot with small businesses and assimilating very well, why don't you ask them why they are here instead of at home. I bet the answer isn't because I'm a "bloodthirsty," terrorist here to blow up your country. It would be freedom and money.
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 Strict catholicism and christianity cannot co-exist with western culture.   Only in they're milder forms do they cease witch burnings, inquisitions, and other genocides.  

Once religion and government separated, religion became just another social club.  It was only the power of government that allowed Catholicism to go berserk.

Government is already too damned dangerous to be adding religion to it.  Hopefully, the followers of the islamic cult here in the US understand that.
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Re:can islam and western cultures co-exist?

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"Government is already to damned dangerous to be adding religion to it," damn straights!
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Re:can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted:02/02/2015 1:50 AMCopy HTML

 Wow - a consensus!  I agree as well - government is so damned dangerous it must necessarily be strictly limited.  We cannot allow our government to fall sway to Islam or any other religion.
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It may not seem so but I do think govt., religion and big business all should be viewed with suspicion, not all but far to many have the same motive and it certainly isn't to our benefit.
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 Of those three groups, only one that's allowed to shoot people.
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you could also argue that that one (government) is controlled largely by the other 2.  


Religion is not controlled by walmart and the federal government.   Walmart is not controlled by the catholic church and mayor douchebag.   It's government that takes bribes from exxon and pat robertson.   

If government had no power to attack us, corporations and religious fanatics wouldn't try so hard to control it.  
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I don't think that is true as they have a duel motive and work hand in hand.
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 While your statement is true, it is government that is corrupted by the other(s) - not the other way around.  It is only government that has power granted to it by we the people - if those in government didn't succumb to the temptations (too much to ask for?) there wouldn't be a problem.

Hold government (and government officials) accountable, and all private companies and other entities must comply.

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Well if you were talking entities as not consisting of people I might agree with you. People are corruptible due to lack of morals/ethics whether they choose govt., religion or business and all have found our way into our personal life as they all have a "Kevin Bacon" connection. It doesn't matter if religion/big business ties themselves to govt. or the other way around, it is still historically is what has interfered with our daily lives for centuries.
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I think the point is that scientology and mcdonalds can't hurt people without the government helping them.

If mcdolands puts rat poison in our food, or scientology kidnaps children off the street, the government can either step in and stop it, or not......and it depends on how much money those groups give to so and so's campaign.  


Corn syrup has  been found to be one of the most damaging things in american diets.  But big corn gets free money from the government.   Why?   The catholic church is basically running a child rape smuggling ring.   Why arn't catholic officials being arrested right and left?   

Would they be able to get away with this stuff if the government had less power? more power?  
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The difference between here and Europe is that Muslim people actually come here to become Americans. So the ability to assimilate. People don't go to France to become French.
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 They don't?
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Some don't much more so than here and I think that is true for European countries who were colonists of other countries. Still pissed off at them being there, then leaving them in such a mess. Others it doesn't matter, the west is the west. My observation is most do. On the other hand you have parties throughout Europe who think like this one in the UK, "Keep Britain White," and it is much more overt than here, also my observation.
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When the Brits left Mesopotamia they said they locals were "Ungovernable." If the Brits can't govern em, nobody can. Savages all.


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 French and British meddling in the Turkish Empire after 1918 were not a plus.
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True, in that part of the world they respond better to despots. Democracies are not taken well. See Iraq & Libya after the dictators were thrown out.


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Reply to ftjames (02/02/2015 11:19 PM)

The difference between here and Europe is that Muslim people actually come here to become Americans. So the ability to assimilate. People don't go to France to become French.

Couldn't disagree more.  Muslims that come to America have no interest in assimilating.  Which begs the question....why the hell do they come here?
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Reply to alaskaone (01/18/2015 10:41 PM)

Yet in the US, we've not experienced what is happening in the EU.   

It's all a question of numbers.
Small Muslim population - Islam is the religion of peace.
Larger population - still moderate but demanding special privileges 
Large population - sharia 

At this point the Islamic population in the US is too small to attempt to force any sort of meaningful change.
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 Is that true of all ideologies? 
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 Is that true of all ideologies? 

To some extent.  
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