can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Title: can islam and western cultures co-exist?
TAEmove > General > General Discussion	Go to subcategory：

Author	Content

Rank：TAE Member
Score：19447
Posts：17177
From：USA
Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM

Date Posted：01/19/2015 4:41 AMCopy HTML

Looking at the nations of Europe, it doesn't appear so. Yet in the US, we've not experienced what is happening in the EU.

For the last 50 years or so, the European nations have had an 'open arms' approach to immigration mostly, I speculate, because their welfare programs are so burdensome that they had no other choice.

Working people were overwhelmed by those 'on the dole'. Unfortunately, unlike in America, the new citizens didn't turn out to be industrious but instead went 'on the dole' themselves. Germany, for example, experienced this: "in the early 1970s, 2 million of the 3 million foreigners in Germany were in the labor force; by the turn of this century, 2 million of 7.5 million were."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/europe-immigration-and-islam-europes-crisis-of-faith-1421450060

Some have speculated the clashes between islam and western people don't start occurring until the percentages reach a certain ratio... in other words, the numbers of adherents become sufficient to be a viable force within a nation.

Is there anything about islam that isn't anathema to western society, values and ethics? All I know of the religion is just what I see; women abused, homosexuals murdered, stupid rituals and a penchant toward authoritarianism. Is there anything redeeming about this cult?

Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken

Rank：
Score：0
Posts：0
From：USA
Register：01/02/2009 1:39 AM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：02/05/2015 10:22 PMCopy HTML

Reply to ftjames (02/02/2015 11:19 PM)

The difference between here and Europe is that Muslim people actually come here to become Americans. So the ability to assimilate. People don't go to France to become French.

ROTFLMAO!!!! You have got to be kidding! Are you really serious? Have you not been reading the news, listening to radio and news reports? If they want to be Americans so bad then why is it they have to have foot washers in schools, or demanding that we have certain foods for them on food stamps. I could go on, but there is no way most of them come here to be Americans. They come here to undercut our way of life, and I might say, done a fine job of doing just that, along with the help of their leader, Obama.

"The price good men (& women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato

Rank：TAE Member
Score：1768
Posts：1528
From：USA
Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：02/06/2015 1:45 AMCopy HTML

I visited Crete, took a Mediteranian cruise,  land and cruise tours of Ireland, France, and England, and while I was delighted and privileged to be there......at some point the way they dress, more formal and dark colors like what we see at a funeral caused me to think that they were still in mourning from so many wars over the centuries and two world wars in the last century...why wouldn't they dress darkly.
Our streets are full of color, theirs fill with color only when American tourists ignore the cautions about attire.....that may be an over generalization, and yet, they pretty much know the Americans, not just because of our white walking/running shoes.  They can laugh, make fun of us,  but who has the comfortable feet?

What goes around, comes around.

Rank：TAE Member
Score：5480
Posts：5028
From：USA
Register：11/22/2008 3:20 PM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：02/06/2015 3:51 PMCopy HTML

Reply to GraphicQueen (02/05/2015 3:22 PM)

Reply to ftjames (02/02/2015 11:19 PM)

The difference between here and Europe is that Muslim people actually come here to become Americans. So the ability to assimilate. People don't go to France to become French.

ROTFLMAO!!!! You have got to be kidding! Are you really serious? Have you not been reading the news, listening to radio and news reports? If they want to be Americans so bad then why is it they have to have foot washers in schools, or demanding that we have certain foods for them on food stamps. I could go on, but there is no way most of them come here to be Americans. They come here to undercut our way of life, and I might say, done a fine job of doing just that, along with the help of their leader, Obama.

The same could be said about the illegals that come to this country GQ. English no longer the official language in schools. The menu at my grandsons  school that now includes tortillas. Blame Obama if you want but, hell this has been going on for a very long time.

Now can you honestly tell me the Muslim situation in this country isn't different then Europe? Be honest!

Rank：
Score：0
Posts：0
From：USA
Register：01/02/2009 1:39 AM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：02/06/2015 5:40 PMCopy HTML

I blame the whole of the government when it comes to the illegals and the Muslims. The Muslims took over Europe and they are doing the same here and in that way they are the same.

"The price good men (& women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato

Rank：TAE Member
Score：17452
Posts：17428
From：USA
Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：02/10/2015 4:35 PMCopy HTML

"Taking over," is an awful big exaggeration.
 

Rank：TAE Member
Score：1768
Posts：1528
From：USA
Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：02/10/2015 8:00 PMCopy HTML

 Yes, for a tme, but then Islam reaches the critical number of hearts and minds it needs to oppress and you have no debate, just become a Muslim, or die.  India, Egypt, etc.  Power of the minority is ruthless with its opposition, causing the majority to quake instead of fight.....a timeless error of humans.  People rule, but realize their potential, their numbers?  Not always.......so little keeps them satisfied with life as the state dictates it.

What goes around, comes around.

Rank：
Score：0
Posts：0
From：USA
Register：01/02/2009 1:39 AM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：02/10/2015 8:42 PMCopy HTML

Reply to katie5445 (02/10/2015 10:35 AM)

"Taking over," is an awful big exaggeration.
 
No exaggeration at all, just the truth!

"The price good men (& women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato

Rank：TAE Member
Score：1768
Posts：1528
From：USA
Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：02/10/2015 9:14 PMCopy HTML

 Knowledge IS power.  We all agree, don't we?   So, as we examine the denial of education funding following the reluctant departure of the Russians in Afghanistan and the willingness of Taliban  to fill that funding gap to a population, half of which was under the age of 17 at the time....., who do we credit with foresight, or the lack of it?

What goes around, comes around.

Rank：TAE Member
Score：1768
Posts：1528
From：USA
Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：02/10/2015 9:31 PMCopy HTML

 Instead of calling public education brainwashing and dismissing the need for it to all but the few who can afford it, perhaps indoctrination into the better natures of the state is essential if you want better natures to prevail in a civilized world.   Greeks looked hard and long for the ideal governing entity and came up with what we call the west, essentially.  Bless their less than arrogant hearts....

What goes around, comes around.

Rank：TAE Member
Score：19447
Posts：17177
From：USA
Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：02/13/2015 10:16 AMCopy HTML

Reply to katie5445 (02/10/2015 7:35 AM)

"Taking over," is an awful big exaggeration.
 
Not really.  The fertility rate in western nations is essentially zero while muslim immigrants don't appear to be following the trend previous immigrant groups followed... at least in Europe.

Here in the states, I don't know.  I'm seeing women in muslim headgear more than I remember from the past and Anchorage now has a couple of 'halal' grocery stores.  Are muslims in the US outbreeding us or have some of them merely moved to Alaska from down south?

I really have no problem with religion provided folks keep it to themselves.  I won't require anyone to believe in the flying spaghetti monster if you all don't require me to believe in your sky god.  

That said, human rights are given to us by the flying spaghetti monster, or our by our mothers, so anyone forcibly depriving anyone else of their human rights is gonna get on my bad side real quick.

Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken

Rank：TAE Member
Score：17452
Posts：17428
From：USA
Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：02/13/2015 3:35 PMCopy HTML

We have had halal and kosher stores as long as I can remember. The population of Muslims has increased I imagine for every state, looking at Alaska your demographics are 1% of the population, far less than the average 5-6% in other states, your just not used to it. Headgear does not bother me, the whole "outfit" does. Look at some of the Jewish men in Israel, hair and headgear that looks like a mini turbine ready to take off. Religious beliefs do not bother me either "as long as they keep it to themselves." I happen to believe in God and Jesus as the savior and I still say leave me alone!

Rank：TAE Member
Score：1768
Posts：1528
From：USA
Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：02/14/2015 6:18 PMCopy HTML

 I used to tell Mormons at the door that I was Catholic and they would gracefully go away.  In recent years, they have launched into a challenge of that, so I thank them and say I'm not interested.  Few go on after that, but the ones that do get my I respect your faith and expect you to have the same of respect for mine, and I close the door, or walk away.

What goes around, comes around.

Rank：TAE Member
Score：17452
Posts：17428
From：USA
Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：02/14/2015 6:37 PMCopy HTML

My mom tried that but it made it worse. 

Rank：
Score：0
Posts：0
From：USA
Register：01/02/2009 1:39 AM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：02/14/2015 7:31 PMCopy HTML

They will run if you are wearing a pentagram!

"The price good men (& women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato

Rank：TAE Member
Score：1768
Posts：1528
From：USA
Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：02/17/2015 7:51 PMCopy HTML

 Good to know.

What goes around, comes around.

Rank：TAE Member
Score：3625
Posts：3475
From：United Kingdom
Register：12/04/2008 10:50 PM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：02/17/2015 8:19 PMCopy HTML

This is quite a good read (if taken with the occasional pinch of salt).  If too long go the chapter 3

What ISIS Really Wants
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

Rank：
Score：0
Posts：0
From：USA
Register：09/26/2013 10:13 PM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：02/18/2015 4:04 AMCopy HTML

 I keep hearing from the libs, that if we respond forcefully to the barbarism of the Islamic State; that we will be recruiting more terrorists and extremists------------------  so puzzle me this:

Why the hell don't we have millions of German and Japanese extremists swarming us?

even these stupid goat f___ers must recognize that their methods and bloody excess cannot be tolerated in civilized society-----------  and if we don't teach them, they will never learn.

“The truth is like a lion, you don’t have to defend it. Let it loose, it will defend itself.” St. Augustine

Rank：TAE Member
Score：19447
Posts：17177
From：USA
Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：02/18/2015 4:48 AMCopy HTML

There is a pretty profound difference between a standing war and a religious war.  The best thing that we could do regarding the Middle East is to leave them the hell alone. No more foreign aid, and no more meddling.  I wouldn't buy anything from them anymore either. 

Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken

Rank：TAE Member
Score：8997
Posts：8897
From：USA
Register：12/08/2008 11:28 PM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：02/18/2015 1:09 PMCopy HTML

Of course isolationism has never & will never work. What we need is a coalition of countries banded together to go in & wipe the savages out. Boots on the ground supported by the most modern weapons in abundance. 

Tdog

Live respected, die regretted

Rank：TAE Member
Score：19447
Posts：17177
From：USA
Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：02/18/2015 3:18 PMCopy HTML

 Ummm, did we not just spend the better part of two decades doing that?

Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken

Rank：TAE Member
Score：17452
Posts：17428
From：USA
Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：02/18/2015 3:42 PMCopy HTML

Reply to alaskaone (02/17/2015 8:48 PM)

There is a pretty profound difference between a standing war and a religious war.  The best thing that we could do regarding the Middle East is to leave them the hell alone. No more foreign aid, and no more meddling.  I wouldn't buy anything from them anymore either. 

So true, then add, tribal ways/wars, power, land, money. I tend to agree with you, what we have done, it's not working. Take Pakistan(please) we give them tons of money/arms, as a country united that money must also go to terrorist state Waziristan which is where we are droning. We are fighting ourselves with our own money!

Rank：
Score：0
Posts：0
From：USA
Register：09/26/2013 10:13 PM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：02/20/2015 1:31 PMCopy HTML

 ya'll will think I'm nuts;  but I think it's an education problem.  In the middle eastern countries the only education most get is 70% Quran and Islamic studies-----   everything they are taught is basically slanted by their religion.  Saddam and the Shah both tried to change that---  and look how well that turned out.  The muslims here that assimilate well are professionals, who got their education somewhere besides the ME. You folks on this board keep telling me that it's a losing proposition to try to defeat a religion--  well unless you want to start praying to Mecca five times a day or have your head sawed off, we had better find a way.  We have to find some way to de-indoctrinate the next generation or given their reproduction rate and ours--  we're finished.

“The truth is like a lion, you don’t have to defend it. Let it loose, it will defend itself.” St. Augustine

Rank：TAE Member
Score：17452
Posts：17428
From：USA
Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：02/20/2015 3:02 PMCopy HTML

Gross exaggeration on all counts.

Rank：
Score：0
Posts：0
From：USA
Register：01/02/2009 1:39 AM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：02/20/2015 6:00 PMCopy HTML

Reply to katie5445 (02/20/2015 9:02 AM)

Gross exaggeration on all counts.

You think everything and anything is a gross exaggeration if you don't want to believe it.

"The price good men (& women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato

Rank：TAE Member
Score：17452
Posts：17428
From：USA
Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：02/20/2015 6:25 PMCopy HTML

None of those are true, makes it easy.

Rank：TAE Member
Score：19447
Posts：17177
From：USA
Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：03/15/2018 5:45 AMCopy HTML

<iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/UN7OEFyNUkQ" allowfullscreen="" width="425" height="355" frameborder="0"></iframe>

Dubai “princess” Sheikah Latifa Mohammed Al Maktoum has reportedly gone missing off the coast of Goa, India, after posting a chilling YouTube video in which she says that “this could be my last.”
Latifa, 33, who is said to have vanished alongside American Herve 
Jaubert, instructed her US-based lawyer to circulate the video in the 
event of her death or disappearance.
The bare-faced Latifa, who speaks directly to the camera, can be seen wearing a simple blue top with her hair tied back.
Giving a harrowing account of her life as a member of Dubai’s royal 
family, she says: “I am making this video because this could be the last
 video I make.”
“Pretty soon I’m going to be leaving somehow I’m not sure of the outcome, but I’m 99 percent positive this could work.”
Latifa reportedly sent her last WhatsApp message to her UK-based 
representative, Radha Stirling, on Sunday, March 4, from a US-registered
 boat at least 50 miles from India’s coastline, NDTV reported.
She told Stirling: “Radha, please help me, there are men outside,” before claiming to hear gunshots.
Stirling asked Latifa to record the gunshots, but she did not reply.
https://nypost.com/2018/03/14/dubai-princess-disappears-after-posting-chilling-last-video/


www.escapefromdubai.org.

Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken

Rank：TAE Member
Score：2929
Posts：2527
From：USA
Register：12/17/2008 2:58 PM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：03/19/2018 12:10 AMCopy HTML

Reply to Segovia_del_Prado (02/17/2015 10:04 PM)

 I keep hearing from the libs, that if we respond forcefully to the barbarism of the Islamic State; that we will be recruiting more terrorists and extremists------------------  so puzzle me this:

Why the hell don't we have millions of German and Japanese extremists swarming us?

even these stupid goat f___ers must recognize that their methods and bloody excess cannot be tolerated in civilized society-----------  and if we don't teach them, they will never learn.

well, there are those american bases in germany and japan. was this a trick question?
Sadam had psycho groups like IS under control in iraq until bush conquered iraq. tukey has been using IS to topple Assad and fight the Kurds. the usa has been using IS and the kurds to topple Assad. IS is like mercs for hire.

so what, why care about all the fighting that goes on on the other side of the world! humans have been killing each other for fun and profit since forever.

thinking is a dangerous thing

Rank：TAE Member
Score：19447
Posts：17177
From：USA
Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：09/09/2018 4:29 PMCopy HTML

It appears, near as I can tell, that several nations in the EU have had enough and are closing their borders to migrants.  They are Hungary, Poland, Austria, Czech, Italy, maybe the UK and it looks today like Sweden, may join them.

Sweden just had an election and it looks like the Swedish Democrats are doing well but the media wonks and government folks openly hate them so much that information getting out as of this moment is dodgy as fuck.

Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken

Rank：TAE Member
Score：3625
Posts：3475
From：United Kingdom
Register：12/04/2008 10:50 PM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：09/09/2018 7:34 PMCopy HTML

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45466174

Swedish election: Nationalists 'make gains' in early exit polls
Sweden's nationalist 
anti-immigration party has made gains in the country's general election 
as the establishment parties appear deadlocked, exit polls predict.
The Sweden Democrats (SD) are expected to achieve 19.2% of the vote.

The party, described by Prime Minister Stefan Lofven as "racist", held 12.9% of the ballot in the previous election.

Neither the governing Social Democrats nor the centre-right bloc of parties are predicted to win a majority.
An
 exit poll by public broadcaster SVT suggested the centre-right Alliance
 won 39.6% of the vote, slightly more than the Social Democrats on 
39.4%.........>

Rank：TAE Member
Score：19447
Posts：17177
From：USA
Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM

Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted：09/09/2018 11:26 PMCopy HTML

I read the two main parties in Sweden have publicly stated that they will not have anything to do with the Swedish Democrat party.

Not talking to nearly 20% of your eligable voters may not be a very good idea.

Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken

alaskaone
Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Date Posted：01/19/2015 4:41 AMCopy HTML Looking at the nations of Europe, it doesn't appear so. Yet in the US, we've not experienced what is happening in the EU. For the last 50 years or so, the European nations have had an 'open arms' approach to immigration mostly, I speculate, because their welfare programs are so burdensome that they had no other choice. Working people were overwhelmed by those 'on the dole'. Unfortunately, unlike in America, the new citizens didn't turn out to be industrious but instead went 'on the dole' themselves. Germany, for example, experienced this: "in the early 1970s, 2 million of the 3 million foreigners in Germany were in the labor force; by the turn of this century, 2 million of 7.5 million were." http://www.wsj.com/articles/europe-immigration-and-islam-europes-crisis-of-faith-1421450060 Some have speculated the clashes between islam and western people don't start occurring until the percentages reach a certain ratio... in other words, the numbers of adherents become sufficient to be a viable force within a nation. Is there anything about islam that isn't anathema to western society, values and ethics? All I know of the religion is just what I see; women abused, homosexuals murdered, stupid rituals and a penchant toward authoritarianism. Is there anything redeeming about this cult? Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
GraphicQueen	Share to: #31
Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：USA Register：01/02/2009 1:39 AM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：02/05/2015 10:22 PMCopy HTML Reply to ftjames (02/02/2015 11:19 PM) The difference between here and Europe is that Muslim people actually come here to become Americans. So the ability to assimilate. People don't go to France to become French. ROTFLMAO!!!! You have got to be kidding! Are you really serious? Have you not been reading the news, listening to radio and news reports? If they want to be Americans so bad then why is it they have to have foot washers in schools, or demanding that we have certain foods for them on food stamps. I could go on, but there is no way most of them come here to be Americans. They come here to undercut our way of life, and I might say, done a fine job of doing just that, along with the help of their leader, Obama. "The price good men (& women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato
Nickel	Share to: #32
Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：02/06/2015 1:45 AMCopy HTML I visited Crete, took a Mediteranian cruise, land and cruise tours of Ireland, France, and England, and while I was delighted and privileged to be there......at some point the way they dress, more formal and dark colors like what we see at a funeral caused me to think that they were still in mourning from so many wars over the centuries and two world wars in the last century...why wouldn't they dress darkly. Our streets are full of color, theirs fill with color only when American tourists ignore the cautions about attire.....that may be an over generalization, and yet, they pretty much know the Americans, not just because of our white walking/running shoes. They can laugh, make fun of us, but who has the comfortable feet? What goes around, comes around.
ftjames	Share to: #33
Rank：TAE Member Score：5480 Posts：5028 From：USA Register：11/22/2008 3:20 PM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：02/06/2015 3:51 PMCopy HTML Reply to GraphicQueen (02/05/2015 3:22 PM) Reply to ftjames (02/02/2015 11:19 PM) The difference between here and Europe is that Muslim people actually come here to become Americans. So the ability to assimilate. People don't go to France to become French. ROTFLMAO!!!! You have got to be kidding! Are you really serious? Have you not been reading the news, listening to radio and news reports? If they want to be Americans so bad then why is it they have to have foot washers in schools, or demanding that we have certain foods for them on food stamps. I could go on, but there is no way most of them come here to be Americans. They come here to undercut our way of life, and I might say, done a fine job of doing just that, along with the help of their leader, Obama. The same could be said about the illegals that come to this country GQ. English no longer the official language in schools. The menu at my grandsons school that now includes tortillas. Blame Obama if you want but, hell this has been going on for a very long time. Now can you honestly tell me the Muslim situation in this country isn't different then Europe? Be honest!
GraphicQueen	Share to: #34
Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：USA Register：01/02/2009 1:39 AM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：02/06/2015 5:40 PMCopy HTML I blame the whole of the government when it comes to the illegals and the Muslims. The Muslims took over Europe and they are doing the same here and in that way they are the same. "The price good men (& women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato
katie5445	Share to: #35
Rank：TAE Member Score：17452 Posts：17428 From：USA Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：02/10/2015 4:35 PMCopy HTML "Taking over," is an awful big exaggeration.
Nickel	Share to: #36
Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：02/10/2015 8:00 PMCopy HTML Yes, for a tme, but then Islam reaches the critical number of hearts and minds it needs to oppress and you have no debate, just become a Muslim, or die. India, Egypt, etc. Power of the minority is ruthless with its opposition, causing the majority to quake instead of fight.....a timeless error of humans. People rule, but realize their potential, their numbers? Not always.......so little keeps them satisfied with life as the state dictates it. What goes around, comes around.
GraphicQueen	Share to: #37
Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：USA Register：01/02/2009 1:39 AM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：02/10/2015 8:42 PMCopy HTML Reply to katie5445 (02/10/2015 10:35 AM) "Taking over," is an awful big exaggeration. No exaggeration at all, just the truth! "The price good men (& women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato
Nickel	Share to: #38
Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：02/10/2015 9:14 PMCopy HTML Knowledge IS power. We all agree, don't we? So, as we examine the denial of education funding following the reluctant departure of the Russians in Afghanistan and the willingness of Taliban to fill that funding gap to a population, half of which was under the age of 17 at the time....., who do we credit with foresight, or the lack of it? What goes around, comes around.
Nickel	Share to: #39
Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：02/10/2015 9:31 PMCopy HTML Instead of calling public education brainwashing and dismissing the need for it to all but the few who can afford it, perhaps indoctrination into the better natures of the state is essential if you want better natures to prevail in a civilized world. Greeks looked hard and long for the ideal governing entity and came up with what we call the west, essentially. Bless their less than arrogant hearts.... What goes around, comes around.
alaskaone	Share to: #40
Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：02/13/2015 10:16 AMCopy HTML Reply to katie5445 (02/10/2015 7:35 AM) "Taking over," is an awful big exaggeration. Not really. The fertility rate in western nations is essentially zero while muslim immigrants don't appear to be following the trend previous immigrant groups followed... at least in Europe. Here in the states, I don't know. I'm seeing women in muslim headgear more than I remember from the past and Anchorage now has a couple of 'halal' grocery stores. Are muslims in the US outbreeding us or have some of them merely moved to Alaska from down south? I really have no problem with religion provided folks keep it to themselves. I won't require anyone to believe in the flying spaghetti monster if you all don't require me to believe in your sky god. That said, human rights are given to us by the flying spaghetti monster, or our by our mothers, so anyone forcibly depriving anyone else of their human rights is gonna get on my bad side real quick. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
katie5445	Share to: #41
Rank：TAE Member Score：17452 Posts：17428 From：USA Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：02/13/2015 3:35 PMCopy HTML We have had halal and kosher stores as long as I can remember. The population of Muslims has increased I imagine for every state, looking at Alaska your demographics are 1% of the population, far less than the average 5-6% in other states, your just not used to it. Headgear does not bother me, the whole "outfit" does. Look at some of the Jewish men in Israel, hair and headgear that looks like a mini turbine ready to take off. Religious beliefs do not bother me either "as long as they keep it to themselves." I happen to believe in God and Jesus as the savior and I still say leave me alone!
Nickel	Share to: #42
Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：02/14/2015 6:18 PMCopy HTML I used to tell Mormons at the door that I was Catholic and they would gracefully go away. In recent years, they have launched into a challenge of that, so I thank them and say I'm not interested. Few go on after that, but the ones that do get my I respect your faith and expect you to have the same of respect for mine, and I close the door, or walk away. What goes around, comes around.
katie5445	Share to: #43
Rank：TAE Member Score：17452 Posts：17428 From：USA Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：02/14/2015 6:37 PMCopy HTML My mom tried that but it made it worse.
GraphicQueen	Share to: #44
Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：USA Register：01/02/2009 1:39 AM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：02/14/2015 7:31 PMCopy HTML They will run if you are wearing a pentagram! "The price good men (& women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato
Nickel	Share to: #45
Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：02/17/2015 7:51 PMCopy HTML Good to know. What goes around, comes around.
WRS10	Share to: #46
Rank：TAE Member Score：3625 Posts：3475 From：United Kingdom Register：12/04/2008 10:50 PM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：02/17/2015 8:19 PMCopy HTML This is quite a good read (if taken with the occasional pinch of salt). If too long go the chapter 3 What ISIS Really Wants http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
Segovia_del_Prado	Share to: #47
Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：USA Register：09/26/2013 10:13 PM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：02/18/2015 4:04 AMCopy HTML I keep hearing from the libs, that if we respond forcefully to the barbarism of the Islamic State; that we will be recruiting more terrorists and extremists------------------ so puzzle me this: Why the hell don't we have millions of German and Japanese extremists swarming us? even these stupid goat f___ers must recognize that their methods and bloody excess cannot be tolerated in civilized society----------- and if we don't teach them, they will never learn. “The truth is like a lion, you don’t have to defend it. Let it loose, it will defend itself.” St. Augustine
alaskaone	Share to: #48
Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：02/18/2015 4:48 AMCopy HTML There is a pretty profound difference between a standing war and a religious war. The best thing that we could do regarding the Middle East is to leave them the hell alone. No more foreign aid, and no more meddling. I wouldn't buy anything from them anymore either. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
tommytalldog	Share to: #49
Rank：TAE Member Score：8997 Posts：8897 From：USA Register：12/08/2008 11:28 PM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：02/18/2015 1:09 PMCopy HTML Of course isolationism has never & will never work. What we need is a coalition of countries banded together to go in & wipe the savages out. Boots on the ground supported by the most modern weapons in abundance. Tdog Live respected, die regretted
alaskaone	Share to: #50
Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：02/18/2015 3:18 PMCopy HTML Ummm, did we not just spend the better part of two decades doing that? Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
katie5445	Share to: #51
Rank：TAE Member Score：17452 Posts：17428 From：USA Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：02/18/2015 3:42 PMCopy HTML Reply to alaskaone (02/17/2015 8:48 PM) There is a pretty profound difference between a standing war and a religious war. The best thing that we could do regarding the Middle East is to leave them the hell alone. No more foreign aid, and no more meddling. I wouldn't buy anything from them anymore either. So true, then add, tribal ways/wars, power, land, money. I tend to agree with you, what we have done, it's not working. Take Pakistan(please) we give them tons of money/arms, as a country united that money must also go to terrorist state Waziristan which is where we are droning. We are fighting ourselves with our own money!
Segovia_del_Prado	Share to: #52
Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：USA Register：09/26/2013 10:13 PM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：02/20/2015 1:31 PMCopy HTML ya'll will think I'm nuts; but I think it's an education problem. In the middle eastern countries the only education most get is 70% Quran and Islamic studies----- everything they are taught is basically slanted by their religion. Saddam and the Shah both tried to change that--- and look how well that turned out. The muslims here that assimilate well are professionals, who got their education somewhere besides the ME. You folks on this board keep telling me that it's a losing proposition to try to defeat a religion-- well unless you want to start praying to Mecca five times a day or have your head sawed off, we had better find a way. We have to find some way to de-indoctrinate the next generation or given their reproduction rate and ours-- we're finished. “The truth is like a lion, you don’t have to defend it. Let it loose, it will defend itself.” St. Augustine
katie5445	Share to: #53
Rank：TAE Member Score：17452 Posts：17428 From：USA Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：02/20/2015 3:02 PMCopy HTML Gross exaggeration on all counts.
GraphicQueen	Share to: #54
Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：USA Register：01/02/2009 1:39 AM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：02/20/2015 6:00 PMCopy HTML Reply to katie5445 (02/20/2015 9:02 AM) Gross exaggeration on all counts. You think everything and anything is a gross exaggeration if you don't want to believe it. "The price good men (& women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato
katie5445	Share to: #55
Rank：TAE Member Score：17452 Posts：17428 From：USA Register：12/27/2008 6:36 PM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：02/20/2015 6:25 PMCopy HTML None of those are true, makes it easy.
alaskaone	Share to: #56
Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：03/15/2018 5:45 AMCopy HTML <iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/UN7OEFyNUkQ" allowfullscreen="" width="425" height="355" frameborder="0"></iframe> Dubai “princess” Sheikah Latifa Mohammed Al Maktoum has reportedly gone missing off the coast of Goa, India, after posting a chilling YouTube video in which she says that “this could be my last.” Latifa, 33, who is said to have vanished alongside American Herve Jaubert, instructed her US-based lawyer to circulate the video in the event of her death or disappearance. The bare-faced Latifa, who speaks directly to the camera, can be seen wearing a simple blue top with her hair tied back. Giving a harrowing account of her life as a member of Dubai’s royal family, she says: “I am making this video because this could be the last video I make.” “Pretty soon I’m going to be leaving somehow I’m not sure of the outcome, but I’m 99 percent positive this could work.” Latifa reportedly sent her last WhatsApp message to her UK-based representative, Radha Stirling, on Sunday, March 4, from a US-registered boat at least 50 miles from India’s coastline, NDTV reported. She told Stirling: “Radha, please help me, there are men outside,” before claiming to hear gunshots. Stirling asked Latifa to record the gunshots, but she did not reply. https://nypost.com/2018/03/14/dubai-princess-disappears-after-posting-chilling-last-video/ www.escapefromdubai.org. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
Knightly	Share to: #57
Rank：TAE Member Score：2929 Posts：2527 From：USA Register：12/17/2008 2:58 PM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：03/19/2018 12:10 AMCopy HTML Reply to Segovia_del_Prado (02/17/2015 10:04 PM) I keep hearing from the libs, that if we respond forcefully to the barbarism of the Islamic State; that we will be recruiting more terrorists and extremists------------------ so puzzle me this: Why the hell don't we have millions of German and Japanese extremists swarming us? even these stupid goat f___ers must recognize that their methods and bloody excess cannot be tolerated in civilized society----------- and if we don't teach them, they will never learn. well, there are those american bases in germany and japan. was this a trick question? Sadam had psycho groups like IS under control in iraq until bush conquered iraq. tukey has been using IS to topple Assad and fight the Kurds. the usa has been using IS and the kurds to topple Assad. IS is like mercs for hire. so what, why care about all the fighting that goes on on the other side of the world! humans have been killing each other for fun and profit since forever. thinking is a dangerous thing
alaskaone	Share to: #58
Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：09/09/2018 4:29 PMCopy HTML It appears, near as I can tell, that several nations in the EU have had enough and are closing their borders to migrants. They are Hungary, Poland, Austria, Czech, Italy, maybe the UK and it looks today like Sweden, may join them. Sweden just had an election and it looks like the Swedish Democrats are doing well but the media wonks and government folks openly hate them so much that information getting out as of this moment is dodgy as fuck. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
WRS10	Share to: #59
Rank：TAE Member Score：3625 Posts：3475 From：United Kingdom Register：12/04/2008 10:50 PM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：09/09/2018 7:34 PMCopy HTML https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45466174 Swedish election: Nationalists 'make gains' in early exit polls Sweden's nationalist anti-immigration party has made gains in the country's general election as the establishment parties appear deadlocked, exit polls predict. The Sweden Democrats (SD) are expected to achieve 19.2% of the vote. The party, described by Prime Minister Stefan Lofven as "racist", held 12.9% of the ballot in the previous election. Neither the governing Social Democrats nor the centre-right bloc of parties are predicted to win a majority. An exit poll by public broadcaster SVT suggested the centre-right Alliance won 39.6% of the vote, slightly more than the Social Democrats on 39.4%.........>
alaskaone	Share to: #60
Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：09/09/2018 11:26 PMCopy HTML I read the two main parties in Sweden have publicly stated that they will not have anything to do with the Swedish Democrat party. Not talking to nearly 20% of your eligable voters may not be a very good idea. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken