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alaskaone
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Date Posted:01/19/2015 4:41 AMCopy HTML

Looking at the nations of Europe, it doesn't appear so.  Yet in the US, we've not experienced what is happening in the EU.  

For the last 50 years or so, the European nations have had an 'open arms' approach to immigration mostly, I speculate, because their welfare programs are so burdensome that they had no other choice.

Working people were overwhelmed by those 'on the dole'.  Unfortunately, unlike in America, the new citizens didn't turn out to be industrious but instead went 'on the dole' themselves.  Germany, for example, experienced this: "in the early 1970s, 2 million of the 3 million foreigners in Germany were in the labor force; by the turn of this century, 2 million of 7.5 million were."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/europe-immigration-and-islam-europes-crisis-of-faith-1421450060

Some have speculated the clashes between islam and western people don't start occurring until the percentages reach a certain ratio... in other words, the numbers of adherents become sufficient to be a viable force within a nation.

Is there anything about islam that isn't anathema to western society, values and ethics?  All I know of the religion is just what I see;  women abused, homosexuals murdered, stupid rituals and a penchant toward authoritarianism.  Is there anything redeeming about this cult? 
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Re:can islam and western cultures co-exist?

Date Posted:09/12/2018 4:33 PMCopy HTML



The losers of every election are likely to cry, 'foul', but this bloke makes a compelling case.

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Re:can islam and western cultures co-exist?

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Can Islam Be Reformed? History and human nature say yes by Daniel Pipes
Commentary (pdf)
July/August 2013 Islam currently represents a backward, aggressive, and violent force. Must it remain this way, or can it be reformed and become moderate, modern, and good-neighborly? Can Islamic authorities formulate an understanding of their religion that grants full rights to women and non-Muslims as well as freedom of conscience to Muslims, that accepts the basic principles of modern finance and jurisprudence, and that does not seek to impose Sharia law or establish a caliphate. A growing body of analysts believe that no, the Muslim faith cannot do these things, that these features are inherent to Islam and immutably part of its makeup. Asked if she agrees with my formulation that "radical Islam is the problem, but moderate Islam is the solution," the writer Ayaan Hirsi Ali replied, "He's wrong. Sorry about that." She and I stand in the same trench, fighting for the same goals and against the same opponents, but we disagree on this vital point. My argument has two parts. First, the essentialist position of many analysts is wrong; and second, a reformed Islam can emerge. ====================== Skeptical? Me, too. Then he presents a comforting argument: the inevitability of change when demands are too great. Sharia is too demanding. It’s a 2013 point of view. The win their hearts and minds strategy is still in play. In a free country Islam should be able to coexist with the west if we’ve done freedom correctly. If we’ve done freedom correctly, then no faith is a threat to any other.
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Re:can islam and western cultures co-exist?

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Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Re:can islam and western cultures co-exist?

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Our laws will handle that. Nonetheless, it is shocking to have such a case. School shootings are a shocker, too. Law abiding citizens are required. Laws are only as good as the people who accept them. We can’t legislate good behavior. Freedom of religion is an argument for such mutilation. Males are routinely circumcised, so maybe a precedent will be set by this case. The legal arguments are likely to be upsetting.
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Re:can islam and western cultures co-exist?

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Our laws will handle that.  Nonetheless, it is shocking to have such a case. 



That's the source of concern, for more than just myself.  I look across the pond and see what's happened there and is happening there.  Is it unjustified to think what happens there should be cause for concern here?


American's don't seem, in general, as self-loathing as the Swedes, for example.  And we're armed.  We're not going to become the 'rape capital' of north america.  But the islamic ghetto's in the EU have been there for a while and they don't seem to have any intention of assimilation.  Quite the contrary, it appears they are colonizing.

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Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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