This is a dark path, Ak. It’s a dark, dark path, indeed. You’ve been on it a while, as have I, and it leads to an utter demolition of any remaining faith in the institutions of the West. If you go along it very much further you’ll come to seethe with hatred for a hell of a lot of what you’ve previously held in high regard. You’ve already reached a conclusion that much of the wreckage around you was wrought intentionally by a learned cabal within academia, the various departments of government, and even Churchianity. You’re roaming a landscape of ideas that can easily lead to a desire to simply withdraw from the world or to set it alight because it deserves to be. You’re really close to ideas that lead to a burning desire to see what happens when matches are tossed.

I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with where you’re exploring, but a warning is appropriate: unless you can find some positive approach toward bringing about changes that you approve of, you can easily succumb to the very nihilism that you’ve previously decried.

I think, Govols, it's actually having the opposite effect.  It's like this for me... if I have something wrong with me but I don't know what it is or why or how to deal with it... finally figuring out what it is comes as a relief.  If I know what's happening, I can figure out how to deal with it.

I can understand the emotional appeal of ideologies based in marxism.  I can understand the desire for power without merit.  I can understand resentment and hatred.

So many inexplicable things fell into place with this revelation and crazy that it is, it's a revelation that has been out there for a while, I've even heard of the the book, "The Bell Curve".  But what I heard about about it was, essentially, that it was that it was racist nonsense condemned by all sensible people.

I'll be buying the book shortly.

So, the question, 'why', comes up.  Why do leftists seek to bring mass numbers of a group of people whose average intelligence will prevent them from prospering in western nations?

My first thoughts go to Lynden Johnson and the democrats.

Specifically, something he allegedly said.

The quote appeared for the first time anywhere on page 33 of Ronald Kessler’s book, Inside the White House: The Hidden Lives of the Modern Presidents and the Secrets of the World’s Most Powerful Institution, published in 1995:

Johnson, like other presidents, would often reveal his true motivations in asides that the press never picked up. During one trip, Johnson was discussing his proposed civil rights bill with two governors. Explaining why it was so important to him, he said it was simple: “I’ll have them niggers voting Democratic for two hundred years.”

“That was the reason he was pushing the bill,” said MacMillan, who was present during the conversation. “Not because he wanted equality for everyone. It was strictly a political ploy for the Democratic party. He was phony from the word go.”

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lbj-voting-democratic/

So... if you believe, as I do, that he did say it and believed it then it follows that his assumption was that as a group, black people are simple enough to be led and controlled by means of rewards and telling them what they want to hear.

It's always been a puzzle to me why black people, in general, are so oblivious to the harm being done to them by progressive leftist policies.  It's been a puzzle to me why black people in the inner cities don't leave for greener pastures, why black people act, generally, they way that they do.  I blamed it on culture, on environment, on racism and I was unsatisified with those answers because they didn't appear to be accurate though they, other than culture, were what I was told were the roots of the problem

Leftists want african migration precisely because, in general, they're easy to control... just as johnson implied.

So, in this video (I'm only about half through it), he discusses brain size, birth canal size, etc. And asks why. This is related to a previous post of mine about circles. Given that our overall environment is most of the earth's land mass, but also that all of us are evolutionarily subject to the demands of a given local environment, generations ago we all practiced harvest in a different landscape and were adapted to it. Rice picking makes for wider hips?

What I'm driving at is that cause isn't big brain makes wide hips, but an environment which causes wide hips allows for bigger brains. 

This hurts enough to put off until a tomorrow when I can grasp the full treacherous consequences of your conclusion based on a test proven to tilt west.  So wrong, but you’re not alone, unfortunately.

Nickel, I agree completely, it's a gobsmacker. 

You've suggested the testing and results are flawed.  That could be true but I sampled a varity of sources, some even in the 'mainstream' media, and it seems consistant.  Perhaps you've encountered something different?

It would be disengenuous to point at the research and condemn it as, 'white supremcy', because the findings assign a higher average IQ to east Asian people.  If it were merely the delustions and fabrications of white supremiscists* why would they do that, assign higher averages to east Asian people?

Talking about I.Q. has been all but taboo for most of my life.  That's strange.  We talk about everything.  But not that.  Why?  I.Q. is the greatest predictor of success in western society, all societies, really.

If, as seems to be the case, the left wing side of the clown show has conciously sought to exploit black people... shouldn't we know it?  Shouldn't we do something about it?  I mean... just look at what has happened to them as a result.  It's scandalous, outrageous... a crime against humanity.

*I truly miss spell check, Aimoo.  C'mon...

THIRTY YEARS OF RESEARCH ON RACE DIFFERENCES IN COGNITIVE ABILITY

J. Philippe Rushton Arthur R. Jensen

The University of Western Ontario University of California, Berkeley

The culture-only (0% genetic–100% environmental) and the hereditarian (50% genetic–50% environmental) models of the causes of mean Black–White differences in cognitive ability are compared and contrasted across 10 categories of evidence: the worldwide distribution of test scores, g factor of mental ability, heritability, brain size and cognitive ability, transracial adoption, racial admixture, regression, related life-history traits, human origins research, and hypothesized environmental vari- ables. The new evidence reviewed here points to some genetic component in Black–White differences in mean IQ. The implication for public policy is that the discrimination model (i.e., Black–White differences in socially valued outcomes will be equal barring discrimination) must be tempered by a distributional model (i.e., Black–White outcomes reflect underlying group characteristics).

https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

So, good luck trying to decide between those two, neither being 100%.   When is ever anything that, except death and taxes?  It is clear that programs to level the playing field have negligible, perhaps even the detrimental effects espoused by Thomas Sowell.

With three sons, the ever changing military locations, and no divorce, I can say there’s definitely a genetic package that comes with a newborn.  They are three good men who are incredibly different and absolutely incompatible, except for brief family occasions where it’s best not to bring up stories of their youths, but go ahead for some exciting revelations for  parents and spouses.  Culture and environment play a role, but who in the family remembers it the same way?  Not a one sees Japan the way I did.  They all have precious memories, just not mine.

I, of course, go with the individuals, since I’m a fan of diversity.  

I don’t believe we owe any particular group special treatment or compensation....all of it is divisive and shows little to no positive results and too often proves negative.  The treatment of Japanese citizens during the war was a legitimate safety measure, not restoring them after the war was a disgrace.   American Indians are a conquered people, saved by a faulty reservation system.  Ridiculous treaties and verbal promises were a dishonorable way to save lives.  The Dawes Act would have let them assimilate as their own damned fault, but it was stopped, and checkerboard reservations persist.  It’s all flawed ways of trying to do good, but doing more harm, instead.

The Hawaiian learning style was experiential, so a school developed specifically around that had them cruising to success never achieved in white schools.  Even in white schools, adding experiential learning brought failing students out of the dark.  Take troublemakers out of class and put them to work in another environment entirely and the results are promising.  I entered teaching in Hawaii just as the 95% attendance rule had police picking up kids off the street and plopping them in classrooms for their ages.  Stoned, some had one or two children, completely out of touch with education, and the teachers totally unprepared, had to deal with them, pretty much one on one.  Lots of teacher retirement going on back then.  Also, schools became hazardous duty.  Would have been better to take advantage of the inner city school successes with people who knew what to do with such students, or perhaps the boot camps which built self esteem after tearing down their self image.

Differences in IQ by race globally is not significant enough to make the broad generalizations either hereditary or environment advocates make of them.  Somewhere in the middle lies the truth.  There’s only one race:  the human race.  Genetically there’s barely a difference.

Black people in the west have, generally speaking, higher average I.Q.'s than those in Africa.  Interbreeding.  It would be interesting to investigate averages within relatively isolated communities... inner city black people...remain lower than those who have disbursed out into the rest of society and mixed with caucasians and asians.

It seems obvious why some feel this information should be suppressed, it would make easy talking point for actual racists... people who, themselves, aren't very bright.

Even so, suppressing the issue also means the issue cannot be taken into account properly.  No one with even a passing aquaintance with statistics would use the information to summarily dismiss an entire race as inferior or hopelessly thick.  However, with the data, we could devote a little more time, resourses and patience to a group of people that need a bit more help reaching their full potential.

I had never met a black person until I was well into my 30's.  I assumed them to be just like me... only with black skin.  Indeed, that's what I was told in school and by all right thinking people in society and media.  When I began to meet black people and work with them in this career...as collegues and as prisoners... I did notice that something was different.   Not radically different nor equally different from individual to individual but... yeah, different.  I found myself having to explain things more thoroughly, having to excersize more patience, having to provide more guidance than normal.  Not greatly but still, noticably.

Anyway, I'm still mulling this over as time permits.

I was interested in a theory Rushton posited... some of the difference in IQ between caucasions and blacks may be the result of the black plague in Europe which destroyed at least 50% of the population.  Illnesses hit the poor the hardest.  I.Q. is a predictor in prosperity... in other words lower I.Q. individuals tended to be poor.  Being poor, especially then, meant you were likely in poor health to begin with thus more likely to not survive a serious illness.

I agree, it's best to deal with individuals on an individual basis.

At the same time, generalizations are a valid way to attempt to understand large scale concepts and issues.

The western bias position is harder and harder to defend as research continues. Much has been done to control for bias by way of examining wether an how well the tests predict success. By and large, even where bias is identified, predictive reliability crosses races and cultures.

Stone age culture people manage to srvive in the Kalahari.  I am not sure that the IQ testers would make it out alive. 

IQ tests measure something real but whatever it is it certainly is not everything.

Stone age culture people manage to srvive in the Kalahari.  I am not sure that the IQ testers would make it out alive. 

Dropping any individual into an environment they know nothing about is likely to end badly for that individual, regardless of IQ.  However, drop two individuals. one with a high IQ and one with a low IQ, into a hostile environment without warning or preparation... which one, do you believe, is more likely to survive?

IQ tests measure something real but whatever it is it certainly is not everything.

No one, to my knowledge, has ever suggested that IQ is 'everything'... whatever you mean by that word.   What has been said is a high IQ is a reasonably accurate predictor of success in society.  That shouldn't be a controversial statement, it's an entirely reasonable supposition whether applied to analytical problem solving ability or emotional IQ, which is more about social problem solving.

I think what I'm getting at is the boomer generation across the western world now holds political power and they're also getting ready to retire.  The social welfare schemes across the western world were all very, very badly designed and cannot bear the burden.

The boomers aren't stupid and they know what's going to happen.  Those welfare programs are going to crash and burn.  So they opened the doors to massive immgration thinking that the new immigrants would go to work, pay taxes and save the welfare programs.

That's what has happened in the past... immigrants tended to go to work and pay taxes.  About 1/3rd gave up and went back where they came from but still... not bad.  So the boomers in power had reason to believe their massive immigration scheme would work.

But, there was a flaw.  The very flaw we're discussing here, in fact.  If you have an IQ of less than 81, there is nothing in the US military you are fit to do and the miltary in this country is desperate for people.  Think about that.  There is nothing.  Absolutely nothing, such a person can do in all of the military which includes tasks as simple as peeling potatos, doing laundry, cleaning.

One shortcut to becoming a citizen is military service which tests. Immigrants passing that test would be okay with you?  Can we test them before they emigrate?  While they’re on the plane, ship?

I think that would be a fine shortcut to citizenship.  A person willing to learn English and put his/her life on the line for our country is the kind of person we should welcome.

  Mexico provides all the unskilled labor we need.

Yes.  Here the fault is ours.  The fees and redtape imposed upon Mexicans wanting to come to work are vicous, arbitrary and unnecessary.  Our visa laws virtually nurture illegal aliens in the same way that prohibition laws nurtured organized crime.

 They do a much better job of cleaning than the European brats who used to work at Sun Valley, but that wasn’t always true.  The European kids were not so spoiled years ago; they did a fine job and we’re interesting to speak with, all smiles, practicing their English.  The Mexicans disappear quickly, turn away, look very uncomfortable if you speak to them; maybe they don’t speak English. Seasonal harvesting, California to Washington is dependent on Mexican labor. They say that Americans won’t take those jobs, but Americans won’t hire Americans to do those jobs.....

I would suggest that Americans, mostly highly educated even in these times of 'progressive' public education, are generally wasted in the harvesting of crops.  Certainly there are lower IQ individuals who would prosper at such work but minimum wage laws make employing such people ludicris.  Also, child labor laws forbid young people from doing what I, myself, did when I was young to earn spending money.  I picked strawberries and bing cherries in Oregon at farms near my home.  Such work is short lived, not suited for anyone looking for any sort of stable income yet for myself... it was ideal.  For migratory farm workers... folks smart enough to know where to go and when to go and willing to live that lifestyle... also ideal.

I thinks this video belongs here...

Adults have robbed children of jobs.  It’s understandable, but still a shame.

I don't understand it.

Childhood has been extended beyond all reason:  Too young to have children until in their thirties and yet biologically the most problem free years are in their twenties.

We can thank feminism for that nonsense.

As boring as high school is, college seems necessary.....how is that possible?  Who made that happen?  Who has the power and influence and wants to end public education?

Who wants to end it?  The reason it sucks is because the public school systems are run by the federal government.  The feds are, coincidentally, responsible for the skyrocketing tuition costs at colleges and universities.

Seniors in our community have always supported the school bond issues because of grandchildren for some, but mostly because they came from other communities where ruffians on the street abused them for lack of better education.  Money is not always the answer, of course.  The homeschoolers educated us, fortunately.  Our totally humiliated school district shaped up pretty well after a better informed public voted.

It's funny to me that the alleged socialist utopia, the scandinavian nations, not only aren't socialist but they also have a voucher system in place.

School Voucher Systems Across the Globe Make the Case for Choice

https://www.rt.com/news/448732-james-watson-titles-revoked/

https://www.rt.com/news/448732-james-watson-titles-revoked/

What a thicko;

http://www.unz.com/isteve/is-james-watson-black/

JAMES WATSON, the DNA pioneer who claimed Africans are less intelligent than whites, has been found to have 16 times more genes of black origin than the average white European. 

An analysis of his genome shows that 16% of his genes are likely to have come from a black ancestor of African descent. By contrast, most people of European descent would have no more than 1%. 

The study was made possible when he allowed his genome – the map of all his genes – to be published on the internet in the interests of science. 

“This level is what you would expect in someone who had a great-grandparent who was African,” said Kari Stefansson of deCODE Genetics, whose company carried out the analysis. “It was very surprising to get this result for Jim.  Watson won the Nobel prize, with Francis Crick and Maurice Wilkins, after working out the structure of DNA in 1953. However, he provoked an outcry earlier this year when he suggested black people were genetically less intelligent than whites..............>

I don’t believe I understand your point, WRS.

Yeah, nah.  That’s not an accurate characterization nor is it logical.  

An average is, by definition, not ‘all’.  It’s an average and what he says is, near as I can tell, scientifically accurate.  Noting the average of one group is different than that of another group is a legitimate aspect of evaluation.

Is it the case you are implying the man is a racist?  Do you have evidence to share?

Can we just not settle on the possibility that he is full of sh*t?

https://genotopia.scienceblog.com/471/the-trouble-with-jim/

.............Were Watson merely a rich old white guy who says retrograde things about race and gender, he could—and arguably should—be ignored. What makes Watson different is that he sees everything in terms of genetics–and not much else. In New York this week, he said that if one looked hard enough, one could find a genetic correlation with Baptism or with being a Democrat. One can probably find a “gene for” essentially anything. Genomic analysis is now so fine-grained, so precise, that the definition of “trait” is arbitrary. The problem is not that Watson is wrong about these presumptive correlations, but that it’s meaningless. The project of finding the genetic basis of everything has become too easy, too inexpensive, too powerful. His style of genetic determinism may again be more extreme than most, but his scientism (crudely, the belief that all social problems can be addressed with science) generally is common and becoming commoner............>

As for his comments about being pessimistic about Africa;

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/capturing-africas-high-returns/

.........Since 2000, at least half of the world’s fastest-growing economies have been in Africa. And by 2030, Africa will be home to 1.7 billion people, whose combined consumer and business spending will total $6.7 trillion........>

Apparently, you are misinformed about public schools and who controls them:  local school boards.

That is certainly possible.

The federal government has tried to entice public schools to improve, funding research, lunch programs, money for this and that, but the resistance to federal interference is slippery and sly, pretty much give us your money and go away.

Setting aside the lack of authority to 'entice' public schools in any way, since the creation of the dept of education, quality of much of the public school system has dropped dramatically.  While correlation is not necessarily causation and assuridly there are other factors, the DoE is the largest and most deserving target.

Textbooks rule, and the cheaper the better, and all the two companies have to claim is that they’re teacher proof.  Yeah, that has appeal.  So, the educated professionals are made to bow to the uneducated laborers who serve their companies by running for election to the school board where they ensure a capable, cheap workforce for the company and a job promotion for themselves.

Propaganda and the textbook industry are certainly among the problems.

The Department of Education would never have come into being were it not for the poor performance of so many schools across the country.

I don't agree.  A more nefarious reason for the federal takeover of public education springs to mind.

DOE has not figured it out, but it’s not for lack of trying.

So we just ignore the bungling?  The nonsense?  The distortion?  It just needs more money and authority, right?  :-)

So industry says relax immigration laws so we can recruit some intelligent workers because America just isn’t producing them.

I'm not convinced that is an accurate summation.

Mill town mentality isn’t just in our valley. I had a great education in Elizabeth NJ, could have competed for jobs anywhere, had I stayed.  But I spent three years of high school in Vermont that would only let me compete in Vermont.  I joined the Marines for the college education because What the hell do you want to go to college for?  You’re just going to get married and have a bunch of kids!  was the prevailing sentiment. I never, ever wanted to get married.  The Marines was an excellent option.

The world has changed a bit.  I'm not happy with what the Anchorage school district is doing to my children at the demand of the DoE and there is nothing I can do about it.

We’d be a better country if everyone served a few years defending it.

I'm not sure a nation that enslaves people is a nation worth defending.  Perhaps you will say the marines (or any other branch of service) is not slavery and you would be right... so long as it is voluntary.