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I was watching this a couple days ago and a comment Molyneux made brought me up short and sent me off to verify for myself. What he said was, the average I.Q. of the people of sub-saharan Africa is in the low 70's.

What?

And as I looked into it, it does appear to be the case. There's some quibbling about methodology and environmental factors but the basic claim appears to be true... as near as I can assertain.

https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html

That's just one source. There are many and all tell a close enough tale as to make little or no difference.

Average I.Q. is 100. The US military won't accept anyone with an I.Q. below 81 and prefers 93 and higher.

Molyneaux speculates a great deal about why leftists seem so eager for open immigration, especially from africa, and why these same leftists absolutely do not tolerate any discussion of IQ.

I can't say I see any flaw in his speculations about their motivations nor about the consequences of letting so many of these people into Australia, Canada, the EU, New Zealand and the US.

That information about average IQ is the missing piece of the puzzle...for me, at least. So many seemingly inexplicable things suddenly make sense.

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Slavery is for life.  The military kicks you out on your own at the end of a six year obligation, most of which can be fulfilled in the reserves, back when there was a Draft.....unless you wanted to become a “lifer” 

I volunteered of course since women were not drafted.

They kicked me out with an Honorable Discharge for being pregnant.  It was explained as Convenience of the Government.  Later, women fought the policy, and were allowed to stay in, maternity uniforms were developed.

Still, at any point your service didn’t measure up, you were put out or not eligible to re-enlist.

Not at any point does slavery compare to military service.  Maybe the increased number of blacks serving has brought that mentality to it since the Draft was eliminated, but it’s wrong headed.

The country, the military is better than some of its opinionated and vociferous people think.

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Perhaps, 'involuntary servitude', would be a more accurate description of conscription?

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Just because you’re born here........just because your parents are.........doesn’t mean you have any obligation to serve or protect the country or your parents because you didn’t choose them?

Once you accept the parental care and the country’s protection, however, you’ve incurred a debt.  Conscription is an ugly word as is drafted which has an ugly connotation for those who volunteered to serve.  My husband was a Marine recruiter, and the Marines didn’t draft anyone, but the army draft sent many to seek out the Marines if they had to serve.  There was no difference in their service drafted or volunteered, according to my husband, but that was the Corps training perhaps, I don’t know.

Anyway, benefits aren’t as good now as they were, but they’re still better than being homeless, not sure why that comes later.  A few years out in the reality of defending our country made excellent college students for me compared to the brats just out of high school with the exception of those breath of fresh air Alaska exchange students.

I remind my daughter that she’s a college educated woman and can figure things out on her own.......and sheepishly, she reminds me that all she did was PARTY......changed her major just to graduate.  I ignore that.

She probably didn’t need college.

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Just because you’re born here........just because your parents are.........doesn’t mean you have any obligation to serve or protect the country or your parents because you didn’t choose them?

Once you accept the parental care and the country’s protection, however, you’ve incurred a debt. 
I'm sorry, I cannot agree.  I don't believe in original sin nor do I believe the state has the right to compel service or loyalty.  Down that road are a whole lot of reprehensible governments and individuals.  One can argue, correctly I believe, that some fealty is owed to parents however, even parents must conduct themselves in a manner that deserves loyalty, appreciation and respect.

To my way of thinking, the US federal government does not conduct itself in a fashion that deserves much loyalty, appreciation or respect unless we descend down to the place where a vicious murderer can be appreciated or respected so that s/he doesn't kill us.

Conscription is an ugly word as is drafted which has an ugly connotation for those who volunteered to serve. 
I agree.  But what else can you call involuntary servitude? 

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Dissonance, pushing up on the see saw and watching that the other person doesn’t get off at the bottom, wondering if I should have gotten off, and hoping we’ll agree to get off amiably in the middle when fun becomes boring.

The thread, I notice, is about race and IQ but drifted to involuntary  servitude......conscription, the Draft, slavery, and I’ll add the working poor.

The beauty of the Draft is that it’s colorless, gender neutral, offers equal pay and a fair way to educate and train and defend our country......a number of things that our country struggles with and never seems to resolve.

In Korea, all men must serve in the military and yet the Korean Wave happened.  It doesn’t hurt, but is much dreaded by all.

The problem with a volunteer military is not enough people volunteer and those that do often have no other place to go.  The vast military industrial complex has thrived because the numbers don’t volunteer.

The Draft is what ended Vietnam.  So many people afraid to serve, and Walter Cronkite.  It’s said we lost the Vietnam War, but we were simply withdrawn from the battle by civilians afraid someone else they knew might die.  It was on the nightly news, dreadful stuff, we knew too much and wanted it to end, and so the people ended it.

We hardly know there’s a war going on in Afghanistan, much less that it’s almost the longest in our history.  Who cares, the people serving are volunteers.  Are they?  Are they really volunteer or compelled by circumstance to volunteer.  I suppose you could say it’s a means to an end to get rid of the lower class and protect the upper, but it still reeks.  Like gladiators who survive the ring they get benefits, but the numbers are nothing like the large scale result of a middle class after WWII the Draft provided.

Nobody wants to fight, but somebody has to because freedom isn’t free.

People will jump off at the bottom in fear of the top

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I've heard the argument that the draft touches all, impartially... except that it didn't.  It didn't touch women and it didn't touch our current president, among many others in the elite sphere.

It's tempting to suggest that perhaps the sons and daughters of congressmen, senators, presidents and supreme court justices be the first to be drafted... but, as a rule, I'm against using law as weapons of persecution of individuals rather than protection of individuals from other individuals and from the power of government, itself.

I think we come down to dishonorable behavior, dodgy as fuck and even outright illegal behavior on the part of the federal government.  Granted, unka sam is better than the majorty of other national governments across the globe... but that's a pretty damned low standard.

You've mentioned before that you believe people, you and I, control the government.  I do no recall anyone asking me if paving Egypt with tanks and anti-ship missiles was a good idea.  I don't recall being asked permission for drug wars, drone bombing, invasions, relentless and incessant taxation, bail outs, incessant monitary inflation... I can go on.  And on.  And on.

So, no.  I owe nothing to the federal government.  I appreciate that it isn't more murderous and corrupt than it is... to damn it with faint praise.

Now, loyalty and appreciation toward my fellow citizens and my state... sure.  I'm all on board with that.  American's are the finest people on earth, bar none.

It would be a shame if Unka sam destroyed that fact, which is what it appears that he is trying to do.

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The American people don’t control the federal government any more than the people of the various nations in Europe control the government of the E.U. We, the people of the various States, are about as disunited as we’ve ever been. If the will of the people were to miraculously unify toward a given ambition the unelected managerial class wouldn’t give a crap what our aim was. We could unanimously elect new representatives to every office over which we have a vote and nothing would substantially change about the actual management of the government. I don’t think the president even retains the power to order the military to stand down from international activities; he would be ignored (or worse) by the complex. The global managerial class considers the people to be economic units, at best, and themselves to be The State. They are global socialist and we’re the property of the State. To them, they’re not our governors but our masters.
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I don’t see how you can breath with your head in the sand like that.

If your school board is blaming the Feds for something you don’t like, it’s likely something they did and don’t want responsibility that might make you vote for someone else.

It’s a funny thing that people concern themselves more with the feds than they do the local school board where they have infinitely more influence to change the course of education.

Our school board, despite the Idaho open meeting law refuses to let people speak at their meetings.  Considered interruption of the business at hand, for some reason they can legally do that.  Anyway, the beauty of our community is the strongly worded Letters to the Editor that our local paper prints out of fear subscriptions will decline if they don’t.  LOL

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Speaking good targets, the Department of Agriculture, is the behemoth no President has been able to touch.  That de facto branch of the government has gone way beyond the well intentioned goal of their beginnings.

So massive as to have joined the other side draining the country.

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I love that you are responsive...thanks for that!

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The local government isn't a problem for me. For the most part I'm content even with State government. 

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I don’t see how you can breath with your head in the sand like that.

If your school board is blaming the Feds for something you don’t like, it’s likely something they did and don’t want responsibility that might make you vote for someone else.

It’s a funny thing that people concern themselves more with the feds than they do the local school board where they have infinitely more influence to change the course of education.

Our school board, despite the Idaho open meeting law refuses to let people speak at their meetings.  Considered interruption of the business at hand, for some reason they can legally do that.  Anyway, the beauty of our community is the strongly worded Letters to the Editor that our local paper prints out of fear subscriptions will decline if they don’t.  LOL

The people of Alaska voted to shitcan common core.  The anchorage school district pretended they did but still use it.  The Anchorage Daily News rarely prints letters to the editior that are anything other than left wing and routinely deletes, online, comments that do not tow the left wing line.

So, why does the school district still use common core?  To get federal money, I can only assume.  School district administration employees, as you know, aren't up for election, ever.

That aspect of bureaucracy, unelected and unfireable bureaucrats, are known at the federal level as the 'deep state'.  It is they who run government at most levels, not elected officials.

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So true.  We have a council manager form of government, but have named the President, Mayor instead. One of three communities in the state that has that form, so deference to the mayor is far greater than the one in seven member vote reality.  It causes problems.  

The city attorney said after I left the council his legal tangles tripled from  staff as well, not just the council which made me laugh, but he had a terribly pained expression....not talking me into running, again.  He was close to retirement, and to his credit, he retired in our community.  Many city employees take all they can get and move to another city, having royally messed up ours in some respect.

What was wrong with the common core?

To get federal money school districts will take a minimal approach to it and do as they please with whatever can be siphoned away.  I don’t have the details, but sometimes the federal reporting requirements are so time and money consuming that it’s hardly worth taking federal monies.

At least Alaskans voted....

Common Core was implemented in Idaho as part of the attempt to receive federal dollars through the “Race to the Top” grant program There were several people responsible for getting Idaho into this mess including Gov. Butch Otter, Supt. Tom Luna, and then-Rep. Bob Nonini who was the Chairman of the House Education Committee at the time. Nonini personally signed a letter to the federal government stating that despite the fact “no vote was taken on behalf of the committees,” he wanted to offer his “endorsement of Idaho’s [Race to the Top] application.”

In the letter Nonini signed, he also says “Idaho is part of a state-led effort to define national standards in reading and math” and that “we look forward to reviewing these standards, which require legislative approval for implementation.” 

So what the ID institutes of higher learning has promised is that Common Core graduates will get college credit immediately without taking remedial (non-credit bearing) courses. In other words, they will get college credit even if the courses amount to  remedial learning. It is a dumbing-down of the state higher education system.

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I admit that teaching high school to college students was puzzling......why did they need it?  At least UI required students test and take the classes first rather than let them go to their junior and senior years as they were inclined to do without the math and language skills that would have helped with more difficult courses in their major.

I don’t know what they’ve doing with common core except failing or setting up for failure masses of students like the College of Engineering does each year.

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Sorry, I passed over your bureaucracy, deep government, comments.... The school board hires and fires the Administrator, Superintendent whatever yours is called.  Can’t touch the rest, or so it may seem.  If a member of the board wants a teacher, member of staff, whoever, gone, and can get the votes that person resigns or is exquisitely fired, so they don’t have to wrangle with the court.

Our city council hires and fires the city manager and cannot do anything with staff.  However, in executive sessions the manager seeks approval, guidance from the council once an employee hits the news negatively.  Council takes the heat for all staff screwups.

Elected officials frequently hide from responsibility, saying they’re not experts, they rely on the professionals judgement.....that’s why they pay them the big bucks.....blah, blah, blah.  Few citizens seem aware that the the council, bottom line, cannot shirk, pass off, or side step their responsibility unless they allow it.  That was a shocker to members of the council about to be sued who thought they were safe, having appointed someone else to handle it.

People Rule... but it seems like ignorance does from time to time.

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I can tell you only this;  Twights law applies.  I'm not sure that's an official law but I'm pulling it from a book by Professor Charotte Twight.  Essentially it goes thusly:  A law or regulation requires X in time, energy and resources to be created.  To repeal a law or regulation requires X x 100.

In other words, if a law or regulation cost $100,000 in time/energy/resources to be passed then it will require $1,000,000 in time/energy/resources to repeal.

It's all well and good to suggest that if I don't like a particular aspect of government coersion, I should work to get it fixed.  In reality, such an endeavor is a monumental task and while I am exerting that 1,000,000 in time/energy/resources against one pernicious law or regulation, a dozen more are being created.

This is why the ultimate destination for this country is tyranny.  It can end no other way as 10's of thousands of new laws and regulations hit the books each year while maybe a dozen are repealed.

One might argue that each and every one of those new laws and regulations are crafted by genius's for the best of reasons, benefiting the nation in every way.

Ha!  Made myself laugh there...

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Yes.  It takes so much more to repeal a law.  If it’s not worth the effort, tyranny is likely.

Idaho legislators are trying to make it harder for citizen initiatives and referendums this year.  Why?  Because we have successfully launched several of them in recent decades.  Not all states allow citizens to do that.

Some of our people still greet you at the door with a shotgun, just so you know.  They’re not kidding.

I can’t get over the image of our City Attorney ducking at the home of a resident with police cars behind him, trying to explain the law.....he ducked a bit as he related the incident to us.

I’m not sure why you’re so defeatist about it, but you might try to balance your research with something less doom and gloom, someone with suggestions rather than dire warnings.

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I am not so sure it's 'doom and gloom' to acknowledge the obvious and inevitable.   With no way to repeal laws and regulations in anything resembling a reasonable process, absolute soul grinding, red tape suffocating tyranny is inevitable.

Perhaps you have a few ideas regarding escape from this destiny?

Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken

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The State of Idaho has the smallest library of codes because it basically conforms to the country’s with a few state preferences.   Idaho has part time legislators, so they don’t sit around wondering how to make it look like they’re doing something which results in the expansive libraries of other states.

Letters to the editor...surprisingly effective 

Speak to, Petition (if you can get a significant number of people to agree on one item), city, county, school district.  

One thing most people are completely unaware of is how disturbing it is to elected officials for citizens to attend their meetings.....really gets on their nerves.

Always be respectful for they have myriad ways to humiliate and discourage well researched citizens. 

At some point, a person will ask what you really want, and to get rid of you.....they’ll give it up.  Specific is key....a rant over a long list of issues just gets a shake of the head even though it’s a right as rain list of grievances.

First and foremost you have to believe the entity is greater than its parts.  The Constitution is greater than those who implement it from time to time.

The law is a beautiful thing even when holding  people to it gets ugly.  Shouldn’t be that way, but that’s the way it is with humans....doesn’t change the beauty of the law or the brilliance of the country that passed it.  Gods disappear when people no longer believe in them, and that’s true for countries because people rule.  

Dispelling the myths about racism in America, abortions, and guns all that effective marketing of false ideas creating doubt that surround election campaigns is so annoying!

Americans haven’t changed but saying something often enough and loud enough.....thanks to media hype.....maybe you’re right and I should be more gloom and doom warnings than waiting for stupid to self correct.

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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Date Posted：12/12/2018 11:51 PMCopy HTML I was watching this a couple days ago and a comment Molyneux made brought me up short and sent me off to verify for myself. What he said was, the average I.Q. of the people of sub-saharan Africa is in the low 70's. What? And as I looked into it, it does appear to be the case. There's some quibbling about methodology and environmental factors but the basic claim appears to be true... as near as I can assertain. https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html That's just one source. There are many and all tell a close enough tale as to make little or no difference. Average I.Q. is 100. The US military won't accept anyone with an I.Q. below 81 and prefers 93 and higher. Molyneaux speculates a great deal about why leftists seem so eager for open immigration, especially from africa, and why these same leftists absolutely do not tolerate any discussion of IQ. I can't say I see any flaw in his speculations about their motivations nor about the consequences of letting so many of these people into Australia, Canada, the EU, New Zealand and the US. That information about average IQ is the missing piece of the puzzle...for me, at least. So many seemingly inexplicable things suddenly make sense. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：race and i.q. Date Posted：01/24/2019 5:23 PMCopy HTML Slavery is for life. The military kicks you out on your own at the end of a six year obligation, most of which can be fulfilled in the reserves, back when there was a Draft.....unless you wanted to become a “lifer” I volunteered of course since women were not drafted. They kicked me out with an Honorable Discharge for being pregnant. It was explained as Convenience of the Government. Later, women fought the policy, and were allowed to stay in, maternity uniforms were developed. Still, at any point your service didn’t measure up, you were put out or not eligible to re-enlist. Not at any point does slavery compare to military service. Maybe the increased number of blacks serving has brought that mentality to it since the Draft was eliminated, but it’s wrong headed. The country, the military is better than some of its opinionated and vociferous people think.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：race and i.q. Date Posted：01/26/2019 3:20 PMCopy HTML Perhaps, 'involuntary servitude', would be a more accurate description of conscription? Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：race and i.q. Date Posted：02/07/2019 7:17 PMCopy HTML Just because you’re born here........just because your parents are.........doesn’t mean you have any obligation to serve or protect the country or your parents because you didn’t choose them? Once you accept the parental care and the country’s protection, however, you’ve incurred a debt. Conscription is an ugly word as is drafted which has an ugly connotation for those who volunteered to serve. My husband was a Marine recruiter, and the Marines didn’t draft anyone, but the army draft sent many to seek out the Marines if they had to serve. There was no difference in their service drafted or volunteered, according to my husband, but that was the Corps training perhaps, I don’t know. Anyway, benefits aren’t as good now as they were, but they’re still better than being homeless, not sure why that comes later. A few years out in the reality of defending our country made excellent college students for me compared to the brats just out of high school with the exception of those breath of fresh air Alaska exchange students. I remind my daughter that she’s a college educated woman and can figure things out on her own.......and sheepishly, she reminds me that all she did was PARTY......changed her major just to graduate. I ignore that. She probably didn’t need college.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：race and i.q. Date Posted：02/09/2019 5:30 AMCopy HTML Just because you’re born here........just because your parents are.........doesn’t mean you have any obligation to serve or protect the country or your parents because you didn’t choose them? Once you accept the parental care and the country’s protection, however, you’ve incurred a debt. I'm sorry, I cannot agree. I don't believe in original sin nor do I believe the state has the right to compel service or loyalty. Down that road are a whole lot of reprehensible governments and individuals. One can argue, correctly I believe, that some fealty is owed to parents however, even parents must conduct themselves in a manner that deserves loyalty, appreciation and respect. To my way of thinking, the US federal government does not conduct itself in a fashion that deserves much loyalty, appreciation or respect unless we descend down to the place where a vicious murderer can be appreciated or respected so that s/he doesn't kill us. Conscription is an ugly word as is drafted which has an ugly connotation for those who volunteered to serve. I agree. But what else can you call involuntary servitude?
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：race and i.q. Date Posted：02/09/2019 7:50 PMCopy HTML Dissonance, pushing up on the see saw and watching that the other person doesn’t get off at the bottom, wondering if I should have gotten off, and hoping we’ll agree to get off amiably in the middle when fun becomes boring. The thread, I notice, is about race and IQ but drifted to involuntary servitude......conscription, the Draft, slavery, and I’ll add the working poor. The beauty of the Draft is that it’s colorless, gender neutral, offers equal pay and a fair way to educate and train and defend our country......a number of things that our country struggles with and never seems to resolve. In Korea, all men must serve in the military and yet the Korean Wave happened. It doesn’t hurt, but is much dreaded by all. The problem with a volunteer military is not enough people volunteer and those that do often have no other place to go. The vast military industrial complex has thrived because the numbers don’t volunteer. The Draft is what ended Vietnam. So many people afraid to serve, and Walter Cronkite. It’s said we lost the Vietnam War, but we were simply withdrawn from the battle by civilians afraid someone else they knew might die. It was on the nightly news, dreadful stuff, we knew too much and wanted it to end, and so the people ended it. We hardly know there’s a war going on in Afghanistan, much less that it’s almost the longest in our history. Who cares, the people serving are volunteers. Are they? Are they really volunteer or compelled by circumstance to volunteer. I suppose you could say it’s a means to an end to get rid of the lower class and protect the upper, but it still reeks. Like gladiators who survive the ring they get benefits, but the numbers are nothing like the large scale result of a middle class after WWII the Draft provided. Nobody wants to fight, but somebody has to because freedom isn’t free. People will jump off at the bottom in fear of the top
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：race and i.q. Date Posted：02/11/2019 3:52 AMCopy HTML I've heard the argument that the draft touches all, impartially... except that it didn't. It didn't touch women and it didn't touch our current president, among many others in the elite sphere. It's tempting to suggest that perhaps the sons and daughters of congressmen, senators, presidents and supreme court justices be the first to be drafted... but, as a rule, I'm against using law as weapons of persecution of individuals rather than protection of individuals from other individuals and from the power of government, itself. I think we come down to dishonorable behavior, dodgy as fuck and even outright illegal behavior on the part of the federal government. Granted, unka sam is better than the majorty of other national governments across the globe... but that's a pretty damned low standard. You've mentioned before that you believe people, you and I, control the government. I do no recall anyone asking me if paving Egypt with tanks and anti-ship missiles was a good idea. I don't recall being asked permission for drug wars, drone bombing, invasions, relentless and incessant taxation, bail outs, incessant monitary inflation... I can go on. And on. And on. So, no. I owe nothing to the federal government. I appreciate that it isn't more murderous and corrupt than it is... to damn it with faint praise. Now, loyalty and appreciation toward my fellow citizens and my state... sure. I'm all on board with that. American's are the finest people on earth, bar none. It would be a shame if Unka sam destroyed that fact, which is what it appears that he is trying to do. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：Worthy Member Score：377 Posts：305 From：USA Register：01/17/2010 6:27 PM	Re：race and i.q. Date Posted：02/12/2019 8:47 PMCopy HTML The American people don’t control the federal government any more than the people of the various nations in Europe control the government of the E.U. We, the people of the various States, are about as disunited as we’ve ever been. If the will of the people were to miraculously unify toward a given ambition the unelected managerial class wouldn’t give a crap what our aim was. We could unanimously elect new representatives to every office over which we have a vote and nothing would substantially change about the actual management of the government. I don’t think the president even retains the power to order the military to stand down from international activities; he would be ignored (or worse) by the complex. The global managerial class considers the people to be economic units, at best, and themselves to be The State. They are global socialist and we’re the property of the State. To them, they’re not our governors but our masters. May our chains set lightly, and may posterity forever remember what we made of their inheritance.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：race and i.q. Date Posted：02/13/2019 1:07 AMCopy HTML I don’t see how you can breath with your head in the sand like that. If your school board is blaming the Feds for something you don’t like, it’s likely something they did and don’t want responsibility that might make you vote for someone else. It’s a funny thing that people concern themselves more with the feds than they do the local school board where they have infinitely more influence to change the course of education. Our school board, despite the Idaho open meeting law refuses to let people speak at their meetings. Considered interruption of the business at hand, for some reason they can legally do that. Anyway, the beauty of our community is the strongly worded Letters to the Editor that our local paper prints out of fear subscriptions will decline if they don’t. LOL
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：race and i.q. Date Posted：02/13/2019 1:12 AMCopy HTML Speaking good targets, the Department of Agriculture, is the behemoth no President has been able to touch. That de facto branch of the government has gone way beyond the well intentioned goal of their beginnings. So massive as to have joined the other side draining the country.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：race and i.q. Date Posted：02/13/2019 1:13 AMCopy HTML I love that you are responsive...thanks for that!
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Rank：Worthy Member Score：377 Posts：305 From：USA Register：01/17/2010 6:27 PM	Re：race and i.q. Date Posted：02/13/2019 8:46 PMCopy HTML The local government isn't a problem for me. For the most part I'm content even with State government.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：race and i.q. Date Posted：02/14/2019 3:02 AMCopy HTML I don’t see how you can breath with your head in the sand like that. If your school board is blaming the Feds for something you don’t like, it’s likely something they did and don’t want responsibility that might make you vote for someone else. It’s a funny thing that people concern themselves more with the feds than they do the local school board where they have infinitely more influence to change the course of education. Our school board, despite the Idaho open meeting law refuses to let people speak at their meetings. Considered interruption of the business at hand, for some reason they can legally do that. Anyway, the beauty of our community is the strongly worded Letters to the Editor that our local paper prints out of fear subscriptions will decline if they don’t. LOL The people of Alaska voted to shitcan common core. The anchorage school district pretended they did but still use it. The Anchorage Daily News rarely prints letters to the editior that are anything other than left wing and routinely deletes, online, comments that do not tow the left wing line. So, why does the school district still use common core? To get federal money, I can only assume. School district administration employees, as you know, aren't up for election, ever. That aspect of bureaucracy, unelected and unfireable bureaucrats, are known at the federal level as the 'deep state'. It is they who run government at most levels, not elected officials.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：race and i.q. Date Posted：03/03/2019 3:45 AMCopy HTML So true. We have a council manager form of government, but have named the President, Mayor instead. One of three communities in the state that has that form, so deference to the mayor is far greater than the one in seven member vote reality. It causes problems. The city attorney said after I left the council his legal tangles tripled from staff as well, not just the council which made me laugh, but he had a terribly pained expression....not talking me into running, again. He was close to retirement, and to his credit, he retired in our community. Many city employees take all they can get and move to another city, having royally messed up ours in some respect. What was wrong with the common core? To get federal money school districts will take a minimal approach to it and do as they please with whatever can be siphoned away. I don’t have the details, but sometimes the federal reporting requirements are so time and money consuming that it’s hardly worth taking federal monies. At least Alaskans voted.... Common Core was implemented in Idaho as part of the attempt to receive federal dollars through the “Race to the Top” grant program There were several people responsible for getting Idaho into this mess including Gov. Butch Otter, Supt. Tom Luna, and then-Rep. Bob Nonini who was the Chairman of the House Education Committee at the time. Nonini personally signed a letter to the federal government stating that despite the fact “no vote was taken on behalf of the committees,” he wanted to offer his “endorsement of Idaho’s [Race to the Top] application.” In the letter Nonini signed, he also says “Idaho is part of a state-led effort to define national standards in reading and math” and that “we look forward to reviewing these standards, which require legislative approval for implementation.” So what the ID institutes of higher learning has promised is that Common Core graduates will get college credit immediately without taking remedial (non-credit bearing) courses. In other words, they will get college credit even if the courses amount to remedial learning. It is a dumbing-down of the state higher education system. ............. I admit that teaching high school to college students was puzzling......why did they need it? At least UI required students test and take the classes first rather than let them go to their junior and senior years as they were inclined to do without the math and language skills that would have helped with more difficult courses in their major. I don’t know what they’ve doing with common core except failing or setting up for failure masses of students like the College of Engineering does each year.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：race and i.q. Date Posted：03/03/2019 4:19 AMCopy HTML Sorry, I passed over your bureaucracy, deep government, comments.... The school board hires and fires the Administrator, Superintendent whatever yours is called. Can’t touch the rest, or so it may seem. If a member of the board wants a teacher, member of staff, whoever, gone, and can get the votes that person resigns or is exquisitely fired, so they don’t have to wrangle with the court. Our city council hires and fires the city manager and cannot do anything with staff. However, in executive sessions the manager seeks approval, guidance from the council once an employee hits the news negatively. Council takes the heat for all staff screwups. Elected officials frequently hide from responsibility, saying they’re not experts, they rely on the professionals judgement.....that’s why they pay them the big bucks.....blah, blah, blah. Few citizens seem aware that the the council, bottom line, cannot shirk, pass off, or side step their responsibility unless they allow it. That was a shocker to members of the council about to be sued who thought they were safe, having appointed someone else to handle it. People Rule... but it seems like ignorance does from time to time.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：race and i.q. Date Posted：05/03/2019 4:33 AMCopy HTML I can tell you only this; Twights law applies. I'm not sure that's an official law but I'm pulling it from a book by Professor Charotte Twight. Essentially it goes thusly: A law or regulation requires X in time, energy and resources to be created. To repeal a law or regulation requires X x 100. In other words, if a law or regulation cost $100,000 in time/energy/resources to be passed then it will require $1,000,000 in time/energy/resources to repeal. It's all well and good to suggest that if I don't like a particular aspect of government coersion, I should work to get it fixed. In reality, such an endeavor is a monumental task and while I am exerting that 1,000,000 in time/energy/resources against one pernicious law or regulation, a dozen more are being created. This is why the ultimate destination for this country is tyranny. It can end no other way as 10's of thousands of new laws and regulations hit the books each year while maybe a dozen are repealed. One might argue that each and every one of those new laws and regulations are crafted by genius's for the best of reasons, benefiting the nation in every way. Ha! Made myself laugh there... Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：race and i.q. Date Posted：05/22/2019 2:19 PMCopy HTML Yes. It takes so much more to repeal a law. If it’s not worth the effort, tyranny is likely. Idaho legislators are trying to make it harder for citizen initiatives and referendums this year. Why? Because we have successfully launched several of them in recent decades. Not all states allow citizens to do that. Some of our people still greet you at the door with a shotgun, just so you know. They’re not kidding. I can’t get over the image of our City Attorney ducking at the home of a resident with police cars behind him, trying to explain the law.....he ducked a bit as he related the incident to us. I’m not sure why you’re so defeatist about it, but you might try to balance your research with something less doom and gloom, someone with suggestions rather than dire warnings.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：race and i.q. Date Posted：08/08/2019 8:24 AMCopy HTML I am not so sure it's 'doom and gloom' to acknowledge the obvious and inevitable. With no way to repeal laws and regulations in anything resembling a reasonable process, absolute soul grinding, red tape suffocating tyranny is inevitable. Perhaps you have a few ideas regarding escape from this destiny? Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：race and i.q. Date Posted：08/10/2019 1:08 AMCopy HTML The State of Idaho has the smallest library of codes because it basically conforms to the country’s with a few state preferences. Idaho has part time legislators, so they don’t sit around wondering how to make it look like they’re doing something which results in the expansive libraries of other states. Letters to the editor...surprisingly effective Speak to, Petition (if you can get a significant number of people to agree on one item), city, county, school district. One thing most people are completely unaware of is how disturbing it is to elected officials for citizens to attend their meetings.....really gets on their nerves. Always be respectful for they have myriad ways to humiliate and discourage well researched citizens. At some point, a person will ask what you really want, and to get rid of you.....they’ll give it up. Specific is key....a rant over a long list of issues just gets a shake of the head even though it’s a right as rain list of grievances. First and foremost you have to believe the entity is greater than its parts. The Constitution is greater than those who implement it from time to time. The law is a beautiful thing even when holding people to it gets ugly. Shouldn’t be that way, but that’s the way it is with humans....doesn’t change the beauty of the law or the brilliance of the country that passed it. Gods disappear when people no longer believe in them, and that’s true for countries because people rule. Dispelling the myths about racism in America, abortions, and guns all that effective marketing of false ideas creating doubt that surround election campaigns is so annoying! Americans haven’t changed but saying something often enough and loud enough.....thanks to media hype.....maybe you’re right and I should be more gloom and doom warnings than waiting for stupid to self correct.