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Date Posted:12/07/2009 7:43 AMCopy HTML The arrogance of these elitist shysters trying to perpetrate a fraud on the people. On a normal day, Majken Friss Jorgensen, managing director of Copenhagen's biggest limousine company, says her firm has twelve vehicles on the road. During the "summit to save the world", which opens here tomorrow, she will have 200. "We thought they were not going to have many cars, due to it being a climate convention," she says. "But it seems that somebody last week looked at the weather report." And the total number of electric cars or hybrids among that number? "Five," says Ms Jorgensen. "The government has some alternative fuel cars but the rest will be petrol or diesel. We don't have any hybrids in Denmark, unfortunately, due to the extreme taxes on those cars. It makes no sense at all, but it's very Danish." The airport says it is expecting up to 140 extra private jets during the peak period alone, so far over its capacity that the planes will have to fly off to regional airports – or to Sweden – to park, returning to Copenhagen to pick up their VIP passengers. As well 15,000 delegates and officials, 5,000 journalists and 98 world leaders, the Danish capital will be blessed by the presence of Leonardo DiCaprio, Daryl Hannah, Helena Christensen, Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Prince Charles. A Republican US senator, Jim Inhofe, is jetting in at the head of an anti-climate-change "Truth Squad." The top hotels – all fully booked at £650 a night – are readying their Climate Convention menus of (no doubt sustainable) scallops, foie gras and sculpted caviar wedges. At the takeaway pizza end of the spectrum, Copenhagen's clean pavements are starting to fill with slightly less well-scrubbed protesters from all over Europe. In the city's famous anarchist commune of Christiania this morning, among the hash dealers and heavily-graffitied walls, they started their two-week "Climate Bottom Meeting," complete with a "storytelling yurt" and a "funeral of the day" for various corrupt, "heatist" concepts such as "economic growth". The Danish government is cunningly spending a million kroner (£120,000) to give the protesters KlimaForum, a "parallel conference" in the magnificent DGI-byen sports centre. The hope, officials admit, is that they will work off their youthful energies on the climbing wall, state-of-the-art swimming pools and bowling alley, Just in case, however, Denmark has taken delivery of its first-ever water-cannon – one of the newspapers is running a competition to suggest names for it – plus sweeping new police powers. The authorities have been proudly showing us their new temporary prison, 360 cages in a disused brewery, housing 4,000 detainees. And this being Scandinavia, even the prostitutes are doing their bit for the planet. Outraged by a council postcard urging delegates to "be sustainable, don't buy sex," the local sex workers' union – they have unions here – has announced that all its 1,400 members will give free intercourse to anyone with a climate conference delegate's pass. The term "carbon dating" just took on an entirely new meaning. At least the sex will be C02-neutral. According to the organisers, the eleven-day conference, including the participants' travel, will create a total of 41,000 tonnes of "carbon dioxide equivalent", equal to the amount produced over the same period by a city the size of Middlesbrough. The temptation, then, is to dismiss the whole thing as a ridiculous circus. Many of the participants do not really need to be here. And far from "saving the world," the world's leaders have already agreed that this conference will not produce any kind of binding deal, merely an interim statement of intent. Instead of swift and modest reductions in carbon – say, two per cent a year, starting next year – for which they could possibly be held accountable, the politicians will bandy around grandiose targets of 80-per-cent-plus by 2050, by which time few of the leaders at Copenhagen will even be alive, let alone still in office. Even if they had agreed anything binding, past experience suggests that the participants would not, in fact, feel bound by it. Most countries – Britain excepted – are on course to break the modest pledges they made at the last major climate summit, in Kyoto. And as the delegates meet, they do so under a shadow. For the first time, not just the methods but the entire purpose of the climate change agenda is being questioned. Leaked emails showing key scientists conspiring to fix data that undermined their case have boosted the sceptic lobby. Australia has voted down climate change laws. Last week's unusually strident attack by the Energy Secretary, Ed Miliband, on climate change "saboteurs" reflected real fear in government that momentum is slipping away from the cause. In Copenhagen there was a humbler note among some delegates. "If we fail, one reason could be our overconfidence," said Simron Jit Singh, of the Institute of Social Ecology. "Because we are here, talking in a group of people who probably agree with each other, we can be blinded to the challenges of the other side. We feel that we are the good guys, the selfless saviours, and they are the bad guys." As Mr Singh suggests, the interesting question is perhaps not whether the climate changers have got the science right – they probably have – but whether they have got the pitch right. Some campaigners' apocalyptic predictions and religious righteousness – funeral ceremonies for economic growth and the like – can be alienating, and may help explain why the wider public does not seem to share the urgency felt by those in Copenhagen this week. In a rather perceptive recent comment, Mr Miliband said it was vital to give people a positive vision of a low-carbon future. "If Martin Luther King had come along and said 'I have a nightmare,' people would not have followed him," he said. Over the next two weeks, that positive vision may come not from the overheated rhetoric in the conference centre, but from Copenhagen itself. Limos apart, it is a city filled entirely with bicycles, stuffed with retrofitted, energy-efficient old buildings, and seems to embody the civilised pleasures of low-carbon living without any of the puritanism so beloved of British greens. And inside the hall, not everything is looking bad. Even the sudden rush for limos may be a good sign. It means that more top people are coming, which means they scent something could be going right here. The US, which rejected Kyoto, is on board now, albeit too tentatively for most delegates. President Obama's decision to stay later in Copenhagen may signal some sort of agreement between America and China: a necessity for any real global action, and something that could be presented as a "victory" for the talks. The hot air this week will be massive, the whole proceedings eminently mockable, but it would be far too early to write off this conference as a failure.
[MARQUEE]"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." -Margaret Thatcher[/MARQUEE]
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FL_Freebird | Share to: #1 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/07/2009 8:09 AMCopy HTML Environment
The Fiction Of Climate Science 12.04.09, 10:00 AM ET http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/03/climate-science-gore-intelligent-technology-sutton.html
Many of you are too young to remember, but in 1975 our government pushed "the coming ice age." Random House dutifully printed "THE WEATHER CONSPIRACY … coming of the New Ice Age." This may be the only book ever written by 18 authors. All 18 lived just a short sled ride from Washington, D.C. Newsweek fell in line and did a cover issue warning us of global cooling on April 28, 1975. And The New York Times, Aug. 14, 1976, reported "many signs that Earth may be headed for another ice age." OK, you say, that's media. But what did our rational scientists say? In 1974, the National Science Board announced: "During the last 20 to 30 years, world temperature has fallen, irregularly at first but more sharply over the last decade. Judging from the record of the past interglacial ages, the present time of high temperatures should be drawing to an end…leading into the next ice age." You can't blame these scientists for sucking up to the fed's mantra du jour. Scientists live off grants. Remember how Galileo recanted his preaching about the earth revolving around the sun? He, of course, was about to be barbecued by his leaders. Today's scientists merely lose their cash flow. Threats work. In 2002 I stood in a room of the Smithsonian. One entire wall charted the cooling of our globe over the last 60 million years. This was no straight line. The curve had two steep dips followed by leveling. There were no significant warming periods. Smithsonian scientists inscribed it across some 20 feet of plaster, with timelines. Last year, I went back. That fresco is painted over. The same curve hides behind smoked glass, shrunk to three feet but showing the same cooling trend. Hey, why should the Smithsonian put its tax-free status at risk? If the politicians decide to whip up public fear in a different direction, get with it, oh ye subsidized servants. Downplay that embarrassing old chart and maybe nobody will notice. Sorry, I noticed. It's the job of elected officials to whip up panic. They then get re-elected. Their supporters fall in line. Al Gore thought he might ride his global warming crusade back toward the White House. If you saw his movie, which opened showing cattle on his farm, you start to understand how shallow this is. The United Nations says that cattle, farting and belching methane, create more global warming than all the SUVs in the world. Even more laughably, Al and his camera crew flew first class for that film, consuming 50% more jet fuel per seat-mile than coach fliers, while his Tennessee mansion sucks as much carbon as 20 average homes. His PR folks say he's "carbon neutral" due to some trades. I'm unsure of how that works, but, maybe there's a tribe in the Sudan that cannot have a campfire for the next hundred years to cover Al's energy gluttony. I'm just not sophisticated enough to know how that stuff works. But I do understand he flies a private jet when the camera crew is gone. The fall of Saigon in the '70s may have distracted the shrill pronouncements about the imminent ice age. Science's prediction of "A full-blown, 10,000 year ice age," came from its March 1, 1975 issue. The Christian Science Monitor observed that armadillos were retreating south from Nebraska to escape the "global cooling" in its Aug. 27, 1974 issue. That armadillo caveat seems reminiscent of today's tales of polar bears drowning due to glaciers disappearing. While scientists march to the drumbeat of grant money, at least trees don't lie. Their growth rings show what's happened no matter which philosophy is in power. Tree rings show a mini ice age in Europe about the time Stradivarius crafted his violins. Chilled Alpine Spruce gave him tighter wood so the instruments sang with a new purity. But England had to give up the wines that the Romans cultivated while our globe cooled, switching from grapes to colder weather grains and learning to take comfort with beer, whisky and ales. Yet many centuries earlier, during a global warming, Greenland was green. And so it stayed and was settled by Vikings for generations until global cooling came along. Leif Ericsson even made it to Newfoundland. His shallow draft boats, perfect for sailing and rowing up rivers to conquer villages, wouldn't have stood a chance against a baby iceberg. Those sustained temperature swings, all before the evil economic benefits of oil consumption, suggest there are factors at work besides humans. Today, as I peck out these words, the weather channel is broadcasting views of a freakish and early snow falling on Dallas. The Iowa state extension service reports that the record corn crop expected this year will have unusually large kernels, thanks to "relatively cool August and September temperatures." And on Jan. 16, 2007, NPR went politically incorrect, briefly, by reporting that "An unusually harsh winter frost, the worst in 20 years, killed much of the California citrus, avocados and flower crops." To be fair, those reports are short-term swings. But the longer term changes are no more compelling, unless you include the ice ages, and then, perhaps, the panic attempts of the 1970s were right. Is it possible that if we put more CO2 in the air, we'd forestall the next ice age? I can ask "outrageous" questions like that because I'm not dependent upon government money for my livelihood. From the witch doctors of old to the elected officials today, scaring the bejesus out of the populace maintains their status. Sadly, the public just learned that our scientific community hid data and censored critics. Maybe the feds should drop this crusade and focus on our health care crisis. They should, of course, ignore the life insurance statistics that show every class of American and both genders are living longer than ever. That's another inconvenient fact. [MARQUEE]"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." -Margaret Thatcher[/MARQUEE]
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cathymv | Share to: #2 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/07/2009 4:04 PMCopy HTML Limos - 1,200
Private Planes - 140 Meeting attendees - 20,000 and then some Ignoring the hypocrasy - priceless...... see ya cathy :) Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment.....except for the election of Donald Trump.
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skrumpie | Share to: #3 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/07/2009 4:14 PMCopy HTML Maybe we'll all get lucky and the attendees will agree to stop breathing for the duration of the summit, to offset the carbon burn of their limos and private planes.
A girl can dream, can't she? Try to remember the kind of September
when men weren't girls
and girls weren't fellas..................
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mmmjvpssm | Share to: #4 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/07/2009 4:56 PMCopy HTML There ain't no hypocrisy here except in the feeble mind of the con
For Obama to have won the election only because we didn't have enough photo ID laws would have required 183,000 cases of voter fraud, all by Democrats, and all correctly apportioned among the correct states.
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mmmjvpssm | Share to: #5 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/07/2009 5:02 PMCopy HTML You do know Obama's the President right? You know about Air Force One? You know that Air Force One always has a back up right? And very often a third and sometimes a fourth plane for staff and press. Then there's Marine One and his armoured car AK The beast which are both aboard those planes. You do know that's standard procedure for when the President travels and for very good reason do you not? I'm sure those other world leaders have security precautions as well For Obama to have won the election only because we didn't have enough photo ID laws would have required 183,000 cases of voter fraud, all by Democrats, and all correctly apportioned among the correct states.
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mmmjvpssm | Share to: #6 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/07/2009 5:03 PMCopy HTML And what the hell do cavier wedges have to do with anything?
For Obama to have won the election only because we didn't have enough photo ID laws would have required 183,000 cases of voter fraud, all by Democrats, and all correctly apportioned among the correct states.
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skrumpie | Share to: #7 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/07/2009 5:04 PMCopy HTML You still can't get away from the irony of all these carbon spewers at a "climate change" convention, no matter the protocol. Nice try, though.
Try to remember the kind of September
when men weren't girls
and girls weren't fellas..................
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codify | Share to: #8 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/07/2009 5:36 PMCopy HTML |
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Ex_Member | Share to: #9 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/07/2009 6:35 PMCopy HTML Reply to mmmjvpssm (12/07/2009 12:02 PM) You do know Obama's the President right? You know about Air Force One? You know that Air Force One always has a back up right? And very often a third and sometimes a fourth plane for staff and press. Then there's Marine One and his armoured car AK The beast which are both aboard those planes. You do know that's standard procedure for when the President travels and for very good reason do you not? I'm sure those other world leaders have security precautions as well Okay, if the issue of global warming is so important, so dire, so life threatening, why not set an example for the rest of the world? These are the leaders of some of the biggest and most powerful countries. Have they not heard of video conferencing? This is one big fat joke and you know it. This is just another way for the government to shove their rules, restrictions, etc. down our throats. They can't wait for the opportunity and this is a step in that direction. Wake up! |
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BugsYouAgain | Share to: #10 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/07/2009 6:43 PMCopy HTML Don't forget that the attendees are also getting free hookers, a night at a "fashion summit" and motocross races.
Those AGW guys, they definitely know how to party! “Anybody can be charming if they don't mind faking it, saying all the stupid, obvious, nauseating things that a conscience keeps most people from saying. Happily, I don't have a conscience. I say them.” -Dexter Morgan
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FL_Freebird | Share to: #11 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/07/2009 6:58 PMCopy HTML There ain't no hypocrisy here except in the feeble mind of the con
The cats out the bag and the left wing supported scientist in their quest for more government research money and grants has been exposed. This is not an environmental movement this is a left wing scam to raise taxes that has been perpetrated with the help of scientists who see dollar signs in the future. There is only one reason these scientist refuse to release the data to the scrutiny of others and its because they are a fraud. The data should be check and if it found any scientist manipulated the data for the purposes of getting a desired out come should be put on trial for fraud. Does anyone here believe that if the opposite were happening and the earth was cooling that the environmental left wing nuts would be asking us to create more CO2 by driving more, burning wood, etc? [MARQUEE]"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." -Margaret Thatcher[/MARQUEE]
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cathymv | Share to: #12 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/07/2009 7:04 PMCopy HTML On the last day of Copenhangen the scientists gave to us...
12 leer jets flying 11 ice bergs melting 10 climate summits 9 cows a farting 8 starving children 7 crops a withering 6 oceans overflowing 5 trillion dollars 4 UN mandates 3 Blaming America 2Hockey sticks and global warming is just ponzi scheme see ya cathy Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment.....except for the election of Donald Trump.
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Ex_Member | Share to: #13 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/07/2009 7:05 PMCopy HTML Reply to FL_Freebird (12/07/2009 1:43 AM) The arrogance of these elitist shysters trying to perpetrate a fraud on the people. Yes. The arrogance! Here is some REAL arrogance -- along with a little self-help for those in the oil industry (ie: The Bushes, the Binladens, the Saudi Royals, etc.)... On Bush's watch: "Baghdad (Iraq) had a $29 billion budget surplus between 2005 to 2007. With the price of crude roughly doubling in the past year, Iraq's surplus for 2008 is expected to run between $38 billion and $50 billion, according to a report from the U.S. Government Accountability Office." |
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Ex_Member | Share to: #14 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/07/2009 7:50 PMCopy HTML Why does it ALWAYS go back to Bush?
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skrumpie | Share to: #15 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/07/2009 9:57 PMCopy HTML Reply to Germaine727 (12/07/2009 2:50 PM) Because it's Nurse for a quarter, Bob.Why does it ALWAYS go back to Bush? Try to remember the kind of September
when men weren't girls
and girls weren't fellas..................
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Ex_Member | Share to: #16 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/07/2009 10:47 PMCopy HTML Reply to Germaine727 (12/07/2009 1:50 PM) Why does it ALWAYS go back to Bush? It doesn't "always," but it goes back to Bush when it goes back to Bush. If he is responsible for our troubles, he should take that responsibility. Others should not be blamed for what was Bush's doing. Why should it not go back to Bush when it does go back to Bush? |
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Ex_Member | Share to: #17 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/07/2009 10:49 PMCopy HTML Reply to skrumpie (12/07/2009 3:57 PM) Reply to Germaine727 (12/07/2009 2:50 PM) Because it's Nurse for a quarter, Bob.Why does it ALWAYS go back to Bush? Skrumpie -- This is soooooo old. Can you at least change the name from "Bob" to Mister Green Jeans or something? Good grief. You throw this exact same line out nearly every day or more. Surely, there has to be more going on in your head than this, doesn't there? I mean, well ... nevermind. |
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natalie727 | Share to: #18 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/07/2009 10:51 PMCopy HTML BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSH
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natalie727 | Share to: #19 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/07/2009 10:58 PMCopy HTML Reply to 2Nurselady (12/07/2009 4:49 PM) Reply to skrumpie (12/07/2009 3:57 PM) Reply to Germaine727 (12/07/2009 2:50 PM) Because it's Nurse for a quarter, Bob.Why does it ALWAYS go back to Bush? Skrumpie -- This is soooooo old. Can you at least change the name from "Bob" to Mister Green Jeans or something? Good grief. You throw this exact same line out nearly every day or more. Surely, there has to be more going on in your head than this, doesn't there? I mean, well ... nevermind. Nurse-- This is soooooo old. Can you at least change the name from "Bush" to Barack Obama or something? Good greif. You throw this exact same line out nearly every day or more. Surely, there has to be more going on in your head than this, doesn't there? I mean, well... nevermind. |
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Samthewise | Share to: #20 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/07/2009 11:07 PMCopy HTML |
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skrumpie | Share to: #21 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/08/2009 12:09 AMCopy HTML Nurse-- This is soooooo old. Can you at least change the name from "Bush" to Barack Obama or something? Good greif. You throw this exact same line out nearly every day or more. Surely, there has to be more going on in your head than this, doesn't there? I mean, well... nevermind.
ROTFLMAO!! Try to remember the kind of September
when men weren't girls
and girls weren't fellas..................
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GraphicQueen | Share to: #22 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/08/2009 12:13 AMCopy HTML The climate fools are doing everything they can to socialize this country. To damn bad somebody doesn't bomb Copenhagen when they be sure and get the majority of the one world government idiots.
"The price good men (& women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men."
- Plato
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FL_Freebird | Share to: #23 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/08/2009 2:11 AMCopy HTML Reply to codify (12/07/2009 11:36 AM) That was great. Stossel is a real journalist, something you seldom see now days. I'm so glad he has moved to FOX. [MARQUEE]"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." -Margaret Thatcher[/MARQUEE]
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Punkoidragon | Share to: #24 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/08/2009 2:18 AMCopy HTML and CO2 is STILL not pollution
Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.
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FL_Freebird | Share to: #25 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/08/2009 2:19 AMCopy HTML Yes. The arrogance! Here is some REAL arrogance -- along with a little self-help for those in the oil industry (ie: The Bushes, the Binladens, the Saudi Royals, etc.)...
On Bush's watch: "Baghdad (Iraq) had a $29 billion budget surplus between 2005 to 2007. With the price of crude roughly doubling in the past year, Iraq's surplus for 2008 is expected to run between $38 billion and $50 billion, according to a report from the U.S. Government Accountability Office." [MARQUEE]"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." -Margaret Thatcher[/MARQUEE]
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FL_Freebird | Share to: #26 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/08/2009 2:20 AMCopy HTML Why does it ALWAYS go back to Bush?
Because they need someone to blame for their failures. [MARQUEE]"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." -Margaret Thatcher[/MARQUEE]
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skrumpie | Share to: #27 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/08/2009 3:22 PMCopy HTML Reply to FL_Freebird (12/07/2009 9:19 PM) Exactly nothing. However, since they have not one single achievement to point to; not one single thing this jerk has done that benefits America, they have to continually bring up Bush. Yes. The arrogance! Here is some REAL arrogance -- along with a little self-help for those in the oil industry (ie: The Bushes, the Binladens, the Saudi Royals, etc.)... On Bush's watch: "Baghdad (Iraq) had a $29 billion budget surplus between 2005 to 2007. With the price of crude roughly doubling in the past year, Iraq's surplus for 2008 is expected to run between $38 billion and $50 billion, according to a report from the U.S. Government Accountability Office." Try to remember the kind of September
when men weren't girls
and girls weren't fellas..................
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ftjames | Share to: #28 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/08/2009 5:22 PMCopy HTML The wind chill factor here this morning is -15. Leave these people alone will ya!! I say we double the number of private jets, and quadruple the amount of limos.
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skrumpie | Share to: #29 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/08/2009 5:38 PMCopy HTML Reply to ftjames (12/08/2009 12:22 PM) What kind of foolish place do you live in?The wind chill factor here this morning is -15. Leave these people alone will ya!! I say we double the number of private jets, and quadruple the amount of limos. Try to remember the kind of September
when men weren't girls
and girls weren't fellas..................
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ftjames | Share to: #30 |
Re:Copenhagen summit:1,200 limos,140 private planes Date Posted:12/08/2009 5:44 PMCopy HTML Colorado in December?
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