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Date Posted:03/23/2012 5:44 PMCopy HTML

As always the uniter......

Sanford, Florida (CNN) -- President Barack Obama spoke out Friday for the first time on the growing national controversy over the shooting of an unarmed black teenager in Florida, saying Friday that the incident requires national "soul-searching."

"When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids," Obama said. "And I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this and that everybody pulls together, federal, state and local to figure out exactly how this tragedy happened."

Trayvon Martin, 17, died February 26. Police say he was shot by a neighborhood watch volunteer in Sanford, Florida, who said he was acting in self-defense. Martin was unarmed, carrying a bag of Skittles candy and an iced tea, according to police.


 

Read ore...   http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/23/justice/florida-teen-shooting/?hpt=hp_t1

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Oh, and B. Hussein Obama states that "If I had a son....he'd look like Trevon."  Well, no surprise there...

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"Paddle Faster....I Hear Banjos."
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The original photo side by side with the version showing up all over the Internet
Trayvon Martin’s doctored photo. Why do you suppose the media did this? They took a legitimate photo of shooting victim Trayvon Martin and lightened his coloring, smoothed his skin, narrowed his head, and generally made him look like a little kid. Why do you suppose?


As Media Reports Conflict, Why Was Trayvon Martin Photo Altered?

Among a few interesting items uncovered in trying to examine the facts behind the shooting of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin without drawing any conclusions, was that a widely viewed photograph of Martin appears to have been altered, somewhat.

Here is what appears to be the original via the Miami Herald.

Tm original

The one below has been observed in the media and at forums such as Democracy Now. Clearly, it has been lightened, or softened, somehow. Along with other possible alterations, he looks far more, perhaps innocent is the right word, in the altered image. For the record, that has nothing to do with the guilt, or innocence, of anyone involved, but more to do with the reporting of the story, which is why I'm bringing it up.

Trayvon-Martin_hoodie 1

Also, in following up on this item at the Charlelston Examiner, it's becoming increasingly difficult to know what the facts actually are.

The witness reports that George Zimmerman was on the ground and Trayvon is on top of him punching him. The witness says that George Zimmerman was screaming and yelling for help. Police arrive and find Zimmerman bleeding on his face and the back of his head. He also has had grass stains on his back. All this confirms the story told by Zimmerman and the witness. Police play the 911 tape for Trayvon Martin's father, who tells police that the voice screaming is not the voice of his son. Zimmerman was on the ground being punched when he shot Trayvon Martin.

The media also characterizes Trayvon as a "model student." In fact, he under a five day suspension when the shooting took place. That is why he was staying at a house so far from his school on a school night. A laywer for Trayvon's family has blocked access to his school records. However, you have to do something pretty bad to get suspended for five days.

A local news video report supports much of the above. It claims prosecutors advised police they did not have enough evidence to win a manslaughter conviction. Zimmerman claims Martin attacked him, while Martin's Father said the voice heard calling for help was not his son, Trayvon Martin. If accurate, it would have been Zimmerman calling for help. The reports claims police also said Zimmerman's account was corroborated by witnesses.

Also, according to media reports, Martin was suspended for ten days, not five, for being in an unauthorized area on school property, not a violent behavioral issue, as the Miami Herald indicates he did have behavior problems of some non-violent type. Still, an Orlando Sentinel story quotes a teacher as saying he was suspended for being tardy and had no behavior issues.

Still, Trayvon had nonviolent behavioral issues in school, and on the day he was killed, he had been suspended for 10 days from Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School in North Miami-Dade. “He was not suspended for something dealing with violence or anything like that. It wasn’t a crime he committed, but he was in an unauthorized area [on school property],” Martin said, declining to offer more details. Before that, Trayvon attended Miami Carol City High School near his mother’s home in Miami Gardens.

He was visiting in an area 250 miles away from home with his Father at the time.

He would be 17 for 21 days. He died Feb. 26, a bullet in his chest, shot by a neighborhood crime watch captain patrolling a suburban gated townhouse community in Sanford, 250 miles from his home, where he had gone with his father after a school suspension.

While certain facts may remain in doubt, or disputed, what's increasingly clear is that by climbing over one another to get the story, mainstream media journalists appear to be adding more confusion, than clarity, to the shooting death of Trayvon Martin. However, that did not stop Barack Obama from weighing in, claiming if he had a son, it would look like Trayvon Martin. That may depend on what photo of him he's seen, of course.


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"A laywer for Trayvon's family has blocked access to his school records."...well, someone is getting the Obama treatment. 
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 sooner or later it will come out that the kid was just another gang banger.  and once again we will discover that the police didn't "act stupidly".  I just wonder how long you or I would be out walking around if we put out a 10,000 dollar reward for abducting someone.
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Reply to natalie727 (03/25/2012 3:20 PM)

"A laywer for Trayvon's family has blocked access to his school records."...well, someone is getting the Obama treatment. 

Well maybe he is his son after all being being that him and his dead family members are all photoshopped. Perhaps they'll produce a 9 layered tardy slip for Trayvon.
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Atta boy Laz, yer my kinda guy.  Remind me a Saddam Husein........without the warmth of course. 
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Reply to LazarusUSA (03/25/2012 3:59 PM)


Look, the kid didn't live there, he was prowling around in a gated community, was wearing a "Hoodie," which is, in and of itself a Gangsta' uniform and those pants down around his knees.  Do you think he was soliciting funds for Mother Theresa?  Sometimes, it's just best to "Clean the Gene Pool," and this was one of those times.

This moron was in the WRONG place at the WRONG time.  Sorry....move on with it.


Ah yes, "wrong place, wrong time," just don't seem to know their "place" do they. Last week I was walking through the neighborhood next to me that has multi million dollar homes, I also had on a "hoodie" didn't get shot dead though.
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Reply to katie5445 (03/25/2012 10:58 PM)

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Look, the kid didn't live there, he was prowling around in a gated community, was wearing a "Hoodie," which is, in and of itself a Gangsta' uniform and those pants down around his knees.  Do you think he was soliciting funds for Mother Theresa?  Sometimes, it's just best to "Clean the Gene Pool," and this was one of those times.

This moron was in the WRONG place at the WRONG time.  Sorry....move on with it.


Ah yes, "wrong place, wrong time," just don't seem to know their "place" do they. Last week I was walking through the neighborhood next to me that has multi million dollar homes, I also had on a "hoodie" didn't get shot dead though.

Yeppir katie, libtards always like to walk thru multi million dollar neighborhoods wearing hoodies & exclaim how racism is so terrible.  Of course they would not walk through the ghetto alone, wearing a hoodie. 
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Black friend defends shooter of Florida teen. “I’m a black male and all that I know is that George has never given me any reason whatsoever to believe he has anything against people of color,” [friend Joe] Oliver said. And Reuters also notes, “After attracting little notice initially, the case gained widespread attention, sparking protests and renewing a national debate about race.” It should also spark a debate about media dishonesty and political manipulation of tragedies to advance personal agendas, which is what is really behind the widespread attention.

(Reuters) - George Zimmerman is not a racist and cried for days after shooting dead a black Florida teenager, a black, longtime friend of Zimmerman said on Sunday in a sympathetic portrayal of a man maligned by critics as a trigger-happy bigot.

Zimmerman, 28, a white Hispanic, shot Trayvon Martin, 17, in what he said was self defense during an altercation in the gated community Zimmerman was watching on February 26 in Sanford, Florida. After attracting little notice initially, the case gained widespread attention, sparking protests and renewing a national debate about race.

"He couldn't stop crying. He's a caring human being," Joe Oliver, 53, a former television news reporter and anchor in Orlando who has known Zimmerman for several years, told Reuters in a telephone interview.

Oliver's wife is a close friend of Zimmerman's mother in law, who told him Zimmerman cried for days in remorse after the shooting. He also spoke directly with Zimmerman on Saturday.

"I mean, he took a man's life and he has no idea what to do about it. He's extremely remorseful about it," Oliver said.

Oliver's account differs from the withering criticism Zimmerman has sustained from demonstrators across the country who have demanded his arrest and accused him of racial bias in targeting Martin.

Celebrities have taken up the cause of justice for the teen, many wearing the "hoodie" or hooded sweatshirt that Martin wore in a style popular with black youth. President Barack Obama said "all of us have to do some soul-searching" as a result of the tragedy.

"I'm a black male and all that I know is that George has never given me any reason whatsoever to believe he has anything against people of color," Oliver said.

Sanford police did not arrest Zimmerman, saying the evidence could not disprove his account of self-defense, though the case is under review by a state special prosecutor and the U.S. Justice Department.

Zimmerman dropped out of public view shortly after the shooting and his whereabouts were unknown. The New Black Panther Party, an African American organization taking its name from the radical group of the 1960s, has placed a $10,000 bounty on Zimmerman.

"All these people who are threatening George, what makes them any better than the person they think he is?" Oliver said. "You've got all these people wanting to lynch the man and they don't know the whole story. There are huge gaps that are being filled in and interpreted without evidence."

'LEAP TO CONCLUSION'

As a black man, Oliver said minorities are often unfairly treated, but he believed Zimmerman was simply doing his job as a neighborhood watch volunteer by growing suspicious over an unfamiliar person walking through a neighborhood that had suffered some break-ins.

Martin lived in Miami but was with his father on a visit to his father's fiancée's home inside the gated community.

"I understand how they're able to leap to the conclusion. You have a dead teenager. This guy is white so it must be a hate crime. There's going to be evidence to come out that basically will justify George's concern," Oliver said.

"He (Zimmerman) confirmed for me that he was not the aggressor. But I did not go into details as to how it got to that aggressive point," Oliver said.

A lawyer representing the Martin family disputes Zimmerman's self defense claims, saying he "stalked" Martin against the instructions of a 911 operator.

"It seems Joe Oliver and Geraldo Rivera are in agreement that this senseless shooting is somehow Trayvon Martin's fault," Benjamin Crump said, referring to the celebrity journalist's comment that "Trayvon Martin would be alive today but for his hoodie."

"Had Zimmerman simply stayed in his vehicle, Trayvon Martin would be pursuing his dreams," Crump said.


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Was Trayvon Martin a Drug Dealer?

by Dan Linehan on March 25, 2012

Innocent victim with shooter

Above is the iconic picture we’ve been become accustomed to seeing everywhere in the media, used to represent the recent Trayvon Martin shooting in Sanford, Florida. From everything the public has been told, Trayvon Martin was a fresh-faced, innocent looking teenager and the visage of the man who shot him, George Zimmerman, is right out of a booking photo.

The media narrative being sold is quite clear, Trayvon Martin is the innocent victim here and George Zimmerman is a horrible bigot who attacked the young man for doing nothing more than buying skittles while being black. Even Barack Obama seems to accept the fresh-faced innocence of Trayvon, stating, “If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon.” More on that later.

It’s becoming more and more clear however that the innocent appearance the mainstream media is so desperate to apply to Trayvon isn’t at all accurate. The picture we’re used to seeing to represent Trayvon Martin appears to be a far cry from how he actually looked once he was a few years older.

More recent picture

Extended School Suspension

There has been a lot of analysis about the character of George Zimmerman in the media, and surprisingly little about Trayvon Martin.

For instance, a few days before he was killed, Trayvon was suspended from school for ten days.

Still, Trayvon had nonviolent behavioral issues in school, and on the day he was killed, he had been suspended for 10 days from Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School in North Miami-Dade. “He was not suspended for something dealing with violence or anything like that. It wasn’t a crime he committed, but he was in an unauthorized area [on school property],” Martin said, declining to offer more details. Before that, Trayvon attended Miami Carol City High School near his mother’s home in Miami Gardens.

There has been very little follow-up in investigating exactly why Trayvon was suspended for such a long period of time for what seems to be the relatively minor offense of “being in an unauthorized area.” In most schools, something like that would be a detention, or one-day, in school suspension at most. Not ten days.

Of course, this is why Trayvon was staying as his Father’s house, so far away from school. And it also explains why George Zimmerman, who by all accounts seemed to stay on top of everything that happened in his neighborhood, didn’t recognize him that evening, Trayvon didn’t really live there, and was only in town because of the suspension.

It seems we may not find out more anytime soon, as a lawyer representing Trayvon’s family has sealed his school records.

Multiple Tattoos

To learn more about Trayvon’s character, we have to look to his friends and family to offer clues. Unfortunately, it seems as if most people who knew him are intent on cleaning up his image, rather than discussing what Trayvon was really like.

Even though Trayvon was only 17, he already was sporting gold teeth, and several large tattoos. This one was on his wrist, apparently of his girlfriend’s mother’s name.

Trayvon Martin Wrist Tattoo

This photo, taken from Tray’s MySpace page, shows another large tattoo that took up most of his upper arm.

Trayvon Martin Arm Tattoo

Twitter

It seems that Tray was also on Twitter, but his account seems to have been recently deleted by his family or friends.

His screen name was “@NO_LIMIT_NIGGA, as you can see from the twitpic account screenshot above. He was also a member of a twitter hash group #team4dat.

At first, I was skeptical that anyone would maintain an account with that sort of derogatory slur in the title, but after doing some research, it’s apparent that it was Trayvon’s account.

The account was in existence long before the shooting occurred a few weeks ago, and was deleted only recently, there are still dozens of references to @NO_LIMIT_NIGGA in google’s cache.

The associated twitpic account matches the account name and is still online at the time of publication. Most of the pics were uploaded months ago, so this account was associated with Trayvon long before the shooting took place.

Several of Tray’s friends have been very open about referring to Trayvon using that account as well. His cousin, who is quite active on Twitter, refers to Trayvon more than a dozen times using the @NO_LIMIT_NIGGA nickname.

Violence & Gang Activity

There seem to be several allusions to violence on Tray’s Twitter account.

His friends posted supportive messages using it as well, about how happy they were that Trayvon whooped Zimmerman’s ass before he died.

@NO_LIMIT_NIGGA IMA MISS YU TILL I DIE DOG I KNOW YU WHOOPED HIS ASS DOE.. CUZ I PRAY GOD HELP ME AND WATCH YU LOVE YOU CUZZ REST ETERNALLY.

Violence one

Another post makes reference to Trayvon having “swung on a bus driver” a few days before he died.

Did that have something to do with his ten-day suspension?

Bus driver violence

On Trayvon’s MySpace page, at least one of his top friends, Romario305, is featured making a gang sign towards the camera in his default profile picture.

Gang signs

Almost all of this is in stark contrast to the media’s central narrative that Trayvon was a normal, happy, well-adjusted teenager.

Instead of that, we are seeing long suspensions from school, tattoos, racially-charged epitaphs, and violence.

Drug Culture

Several of his friends have posted pictures of rolled blunts to twitter in memorial to Trayvon.

In memory of Trayvon

There is also fairly direct evidence that Trayvon may have been a small-time drug-dealer.

On Facebook on February 5th, his friend posts on his wall asking to talk business. Trayvon says he doesn’t have a phone available and his friend says, “Damn were u at a nigga needa plant.”

Trayvon plants

That Facebook url should still work, if anyone is intrepid enough to check it out.

Unless Trayvon was selling Orchids, it seems fairly reasonable to posit that he may have been somewhat well-known among his friends for selling marijuana.

Conclusions

Hopefully this info paints a somewhat different picture of Trayvon than the one the media has been forcing down our throats for the last several weeks.

This is a complex case, and while all the facts are not in yet, we do know that Zimmerman was well within his rights to make verbal contact with someone he didn’t know or recognize in his neighborhood.

In fact, that’s exactly what Neighborhood Watch groups are for, to be the “eyes and ears” of the community. It appears that Zimmerman was very good at this job.

No matter how offended someone might be to have a stranger come up and ask what they are doing there, it doesn’t give anyone a license to commit assault.

From what I can tell, Zimmerman was doing a routine neighborhood watch, called in someone he considered suspicious, and was maintaining a visual on him until the police came.

Then he was attacked, had his nose broken and was in a prone position while crying out for help.

Zimmerman was pinned to the ground, according to a witness, and was still being beaten by someone much younger than him.

Many people are reading a lot into the weight difference between Martin and Zimmerman, but Zimmerman was also 5’9 and out of shape. I’m pretty sure many tubby thirty-year-olds wouldn’t do well against a fit, 6’3, 17-year-old.

This is a textbook self-defense case, and I’d urge anyone reading to look at the full set of facts before drawing conclusions.

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Just a nice black kid coming home from the candy store, after helping some old lady across the street. 
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Am I mistaken?  I thought you couldn't bring a gun to a knife fight, a knife to a fist fight, etc., I thought it was against the law to up the ante. Can you now shoot someone who has punched you? This will be great news for abused wives.
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This is the image that yahoo has up right now...the media is shameless...why not show a picture of Trayvon when he was 4 years old, then the public can think the man shot a 4 year old.  We don't know exactly what went on that night but the media is hell bent on shaping this story the way they see fit...just disgusting.


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Am I mistaken?  I thought you couldn't bring a gun to a knife fight, a knife to a fist fight, etc., I thought it was against the law to up the ante. Can you now shoot someone who has punched you? This will be great news for abused wives.


Deadly physical force can be used:

If you have reason to believe it will be used against you or a third person.

If that deadly physical force is imminent.

In a rape 1st.

In an arson 1st.

You cannot use deadly physical force to protect property.

In most civilized states anyway. 
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This is the image that yahoo has up right now...the media is shameless...why not show a picture of Trayvon when he was 4 years old, then the public can think the man shot a 4 year old.  We don't know exactly what went on that night but the media is hell bent on shaping this story the way they see fit...just disgusting.



Martin, looks like he was wearing his football uniform.  Probably could have made it to the NFL, after a sterling college career.  Most likely would have gotten a full ride due to his honor roll grades & athletic ability.  But he was cut down before his time while carry a bag of candy.

Zimmerman, note the beady close set eyes & the jowly face of a serial killer.  The vacant stare, the evil look of a 30 year old male with no girlfriend, living in his mother's basement next to the furnace.  Most likely an NRA member with a gun/penis fixation. 
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SOUNDS LIKE THE BEGINNING OF A BEST SELLING TOM CLANCY NOVEL TD.
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Reply to katie5445 (03/26/2012 10:02 AM)

Am I mistaken?  I thought you couldn't bring a gun to a knife fight, a knife to a fist fight, etc., I thought it was against the law to up the ante. Can you now shoot someone who has punched you? This will be great news for abused wives.


There is no such thing as a "Fair Fight."  If you're being pummeled by multiple attackers, a knife just might save your life.  If there are clubs involved...that's "Deadly Force" and you can respond in any way that saves your life.

Seriously, you can definately "Up The Ante" if your life is at risk.  By YOUR "definition," a woman in a wheelchair or a mother with children that is attacked by multiple agressors, or even ONE perp, bent on mayhem can use a firearm, a knife or a brick to ward off an attack.  It's called "Disparity Of Force" and has been upheld in Courts throughout the land as a justifyable defense.  You might look up Massad Ayoob.  He has testified in MANY coutrs as to Disparity of Force.

Please try to educate yourself before chiming in.....
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As to "He Would Look Like My Son," was that before or after the Photoshopped picture?   
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Am I mistaken?  I thought you couldn't bring a gun to a knife fight, a knife to a fist fight, etc., I thought it was against the law to up the ante. Can you now shoot someone who has punched you? This will be great news for abused wives.


There is no such thing as a "Fair Fight."  If you're being pummeled by multiple attackers, a knife just might save your life.  If there are clubs involved...that's "Deadly Force" and you can respond in any way that saves your life.

Seriously, you can definately "Up The Ante" if your life is at risk.  By YOUR "definition," a woman in a wheelchair or a mother with children that is attacked by multiple agressors, or even ONE perp, bent on mayhem can use a firearm, a knife or a brick to ward off an attack.  It's called "Disparity Of Force" and has been upheld in Courts throughout the land as a justifyable defense.  You might look up Massad Ayoob.  He has testified in MANY coutrs as to Disparity of Force.

Please try to educate yourself before chiming in.....
I asked a question, I asked because I wasn't sure, the arrogant cheeky crap I don't need and this is not someone in a wheelchair vs. a healthy person, this is two healthy males. I will read and educate myself since your response is so incredibly lame.

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Am I mistaken?  I thought you couldn't bring a gun to a knife fight, a knife to a fist fight, etc., I thought it was against the law to up the ante. Can you now shoot someone who has punched you? This will be great news for abused wives.


Deadly physical force can be used:

If you have reason to believe it will be used against you or a third person.

If that deadly physical force is imminent.

In a rape 1st.

In an arson 1st.

You cannot use deadly physical force to protect property.

In most civilized states anyway. 

OK got it but at best this coulda/shoulda been classified as a "dude fight" what's up with the gun/shooting?
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Reply to katie5445 (03/26/2012 9:02 AM)

Am I mistaken?  I thought you couldn't bring a gun to a knife fight, a knife to a fist fight, etc., I thought it was against the law to up the ante. Can you now shoot someone who has punched you? This will be great news for abused wives.


Deadly physical force can be used:

If you have reason to believe it will be used against you or a third person.

If that deadly physical force is imminent.

In a rape 1st.

In an arson 1st.

You cannot use deadly physical force to protect property.

In most civilized states anyway. 

OK got it but at best this coulda/shoulda been classified as a "dude fight" what's up with the gun/shooting?

OK Katie, I'll give ya the Tomspin as I see it with the information available.

Zimmerman is approaching 30 & is a vigilante type Curtis Sliwa-cop wanna be.  He is most likely an NRA queer, a Massad Ayoob follower & a subscriber to Pistolero Magazine.  He is out doing his volunteer job making concentric circles around his gated compound.  He is armed & eagerly awaiting a confrontation.  He is willing to commence a confrontation.  He spots the suspect, Martin.  A young black kid with a hoodie & pants on the ground & he knows his type does not belong near the gated compound.  Zimmerman reports the suspects presence to 911 & the dispatcher tells him to cease & desist as a uniform patrol is on the way.  That should have been the end of it.  But remember, this guy is a wannabe with a licensed handgun & is willing to commence a confrontation.  So he does & challenges Martin.  A dude on dude fight ensues & as you know you always bet on the black guy in a one on one.  Sure Zimmerman is bigger, but he is dumpy bigger & Martin is getting the best of him.  So Zimmerman pulls out the equalizer, his pistol, & dispatches the young assailant just as he dreamed he would some day be able to do.  With all his power as a Neighborhood watch commander with a licensed handgun is finally realized.

The above synopsis is based on my 38 years experience in law enforcement & security, & I approve of the content.

The sage T-Dog

P.S.  Bet the farm on this is how it happened.  

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You always bet on the "black guy" sorry in my world that 6mm of skin colour isn't going to make a huge difference in who kicks whose ass. Not being a kick ass dude I may be under the wrong impression but in my mind kicking butt doesn't' have a darn thing to do with what colour you are, nice synopsis though.
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And strangely enough in that police photo Zimmerman doesn't have one scratch on him, odd isn't it in a kick ass situation. Not a scrape, or scratch.
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 If there was a 4+ week gap between the incident and the photograph that would explain the absence of scratches.
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It is said that Trayvon was suspended for being in possession of a pot pipe...so was he tested for drugs the night he died? 
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Was Trayvon Martin a Drug Dealer?

by Dan Linehan on March 25, 2012

Innocent victim with shooter

Above is the iconic picture we’ve been become accustomed to seeing everywhere in the media, used to represent the recent Trayvon Martin shooting in Sanford, Florida. From everything the public has been told, Trayvon Martin was a fresh-faced, innocent looking teenager and the visage of the man who shot him, George Zimmerman, is right out of a booking photo.

The media narrative being sold is quite clear, Trayvon Martin is the innocent victim here and George Zimmerman is a horrible bigot who attacked the young man for doing nothing more than buying skittles while being black. Even Barack Obama seems to accept the fresh-faced innocence of Trayvon, stating, “If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon.” More on that later.

It’s becoming more and more clear however that the innocent appearance the mainstream media is so desperate to apply to Trayvon isn’t at all accurate. The picture we’re used to seeing to represent Trayvon Martin appears to be a far cry from how he actually looked once he was a few years older.

More recent picture

Extended School Suspension

There has been a lot of analysis about the character of George Zimmerman in the media, and surprisingly little about Trayvon Martin.

For instance, a few days before he was killed, Trayvon was suspended from school for ten days.

Still, Trayvon had nonviolent behavioral issues in school, and on the day he was killed, he had been suspended for 10 days from Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School in North Miami-Dade. “He was not suspended for something dealing with violence or anything like that. It wasn’t a crime he committed, but he was in an unauthorized area [on school property],” Martin said, declining to offer more details. Before that, Trayvon attended Miami Carol City High School near his mother’s home in Miami Gardens.

There has been very little follow-up in investigating exactly why Trayvon was suspended for such a long period of time for what seems to be the relatively minor offense of “being in an unauthorized area.” In most schools, something like that would be a detention, or one-day, in school suspension at most. Not ten days.

Of course, this is why Trayvon was staying as his Father’s house, so far away from school. And it also explains why George Zimmerman, who by all accounts seemed to stay on top of everything that happened in his neighborhood, didn’t recognize him that evening, Trayvon didn’t really live there, and was only in town because of the suspension.

It seems we may not find out more anytime soon, as a lawyer representing Trayvon’s family has sealed his school records.

Multiple Tattoos

To learn more about Trayvon’s character, we have to look to his friends and family to offer clues. Unfortunately, it seems as if most people who knew him are intent on cleaning up his image, rather than discussing what Trayvon was really like.

Even though Trayvon was only 17, he already was sporting gold teeth, and several large tattoos. This one was on his wrist, apparently of his girlfriend’s mother’s name.

Trayvon Martin Wrist Tattoo

This photo, taken from Tray’s MySpace page, shows another large tattoo that took up most of his upper arm.

Trayvon Martin Arm Tattoo

Twitter

It seems that Tray was also on Twitter, but his account seems to have been recently deleted by his family or friends.

His screen name was “@NO_LIMIT_NIGGA, as you can see from the twitpic account screenshot above. He was also a member of a twitter hash group #team4dat.

At first, I was skeptical that anyone would maintain an account with that sort of derogatory slur in the title, but after doing some research, it’s apparent that it was Trayvon’s account.

The account was in existence long before the shooting occurred a few weeks ago, and was deleted only recently, there are still dozens of references to @NO_LIMIT_NIGGA in google’s cache.

The associated twitpic account matches the account name and is still online at the time of publication. Most of the pics were uploaded months ago, so this account was associated with Trayvon long before the shooting took place.

Several of Tray’s friends have been very open about referring to Trayvon using that account as well. His cousin, who is quite active on Twitter, refers to Trayvon more than a dozen times using the @NO_LIMIT_NIGGA nickname.

Violence & Gang Activity

There seem to be several allusions to violence on Tray’s Twitter account.

His friends posted supportive messages using it as well, about how happy they were that Trayvon whooped Zimmerman’s ass before he died.

@NO_LIMIT_NIGGA IMA MISS YU TILL I DIE DOG I KNOW YU WHOOPED HIS ASS DOE.. CUZ I PRAY GOD HELP ME AND WATCH YU LOVE YOU CUZZ REST ETERNALLY.

Violence one

Another post makes reference to Trayvon having “swung on a bus driver” a few days before he died.

Did that have something to do with his ten-day suspension?

Bus driver violence

On Trayvon’s MySpace page, at least one of his top friends, Romario305, is featured making a gang sign towards the camera in his default profile picture.

Gang signs

Almost all of this is in stark contrast to the media’s central narrative that Trayvon was a normal, happy, well-adjusted teenager.

Instead of that, we are seeing long suspensions from school, tattoos, racially-charged epitaphs, and violence.

Drug Culture

Several of his friends have posted pictures of rolled blunts to twitter in memorial to Trayvon.

In memory of Trayvon

There is also fairly direct evidence that Trayvon may have been a small-time drug-dealer.

On Facebook on February 5th, his friend posts on his wall asking to talk business. Trayvon says he doesn’t have a phone available and his friend says, “Damn were u at a nigga needa plant.”

Trayvon plants

That Facebook url should still work, if anyone is intrepid enough to check it out.

Unless Trayvon was selling Orchids, it seems fairly reasonable to posit that he may have been somewhat well-known among his friends for selling marijuana.

Conclusions

Hopefully this info paints a somewhat different picture of Trayvon than the one the media has been forcing down our throats for the last several weeks.

This is a complex case, and while all the facts are not in yet, we do know that Zimmerman was well within his rights to make verbal contact with someone he didn’t know or recognize in his neighborhood.

In fact, that’s exactly what Neighborhood Watch groups are for, to be the “eyes and ears” of the community. It appears that Zimmerman was very good at this job.

No matter how offended someone might be to have a stranger come up and ask what they are doing there, it doesn’t give anyone a license to commit assault.

From what I can tell, Zimmerman was doing a routine neighborhood watch, called in someone he considered suspicious, and was maintaining a visual on him until the police came.

Then he was attacked, had his nose broken and was in a prone position while crying out for help.

Zimmerman was pinned to the ground, according to a witness, and was still being beaten by someone much younger than him.

Many people are reading a lot into the weight difference between Martin and Zimmerman, but Zimmerman was also 5’9 and out of shape. I’m pretty sure many tubby thirty-year-olds wouldn’t do well against a fit, 6’3, 17-year-old.

This is a textbook self-defense case, and I’d urge anyone reading to look at the full set of facts before drawing conclusions.



I was wondering the same thing about Martin.....
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