Wherever the States go, the Federal government follows....

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In such a roundabout way, I’ve been saying this for many years, but never clearly or within doable methods, without contradictions.

What goes around, comes around.

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What goes around, comes around.

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None of those programs have been successful.  They've harmed a lot of people to help a few.

Truman was mistaken.

Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken

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How have those programs harmed anyone?

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Seriously?

We've covered this ground many times.  Shall we have another go?  :-)

Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken

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The federal government is primarily concerned with the preservation of the federal government.  It's quite willing and prepared to murder people to accomplish that goal. 

Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken

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We are the federal government and we are expected to protect ourselves, as usual.  The police cannot be everywhere and we can’t individually hire body guards; neither can federal offices.  People bombed recruitment stations during Vietnam.  Recently, white police officers have been shot.  Threats against the feds aren’t always idle. Suppressing them doesn’t always make the news.

The government like most entities, is very interested in self preservation.  Its non elected members are there long after duly elected depart.  However they are just doing their jobs.

The programs which privilege segments of the population are divisive and created by the duly elected because of citizen demands.  So, what we shout about in sufficient numbers causes the problems.  Our failure to think things through causes the trouble we experience in the form of unintended consequences.  Everyone else is just doing their jobs.

White guilt .....
White Guilt: How Blacks and Whites Together Destroyed the Promise of the Civil Rights Era
White Guilt (book).jpg
Author
Shelby Steele
HarperCollins
Publication date
2006
Pages
181

“Roger Clegg describes White Guilt as an essay arguing that white Americans acknowledged the injustice of the country's racism in the 1960s to admit the error of their racist ways, an admission that left the United States without an acknowledged source of moral authority, replacing old attitudes with a new and deeply felt sense of guilt. Americans moved to atone for their racist past by enacting President Johnson's Great Society, followed by affirmative action and the celebration of diversity. Steele argues that the results were a disaster for black Americans, not only failing to produce racial equality, but requiring blacks to be grateful to the white bureaucrats who now controlled their lives.

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We are not the federal government.  I'd thank you not to insult us like that again.

The federal government must collapse.  There is no other way out of this mess that I can see or have heard of.  Perhaps you have some ideas?  

The debt cannot be repaid.  The federal government refuses to reduce spending.  It occupies the entire damned world with over 800 military bases.  It is far, far easier to count the days we have not been waging war somewhere than it is to count the days we have.  It operates a surveylence state that stalin and mao would be envious of... and all the super snoopy scopes are pointed at Americans.

How violent unka sam will get in his death throws, I cannot guess.  Given how violent a piece of shit he is abroad, given the slaughter and evil he has committed domestically... it's anyone's guess.  

The soldiers of the former USSR refused to fire upon their own countrymen and that gives me some hope.  However, Unka sam seems to be trying to prevent a repeat of that event; thus the 'zombie apocalypse' and urban warfare training they've been putting our troops through lately.  Unka sam also looked closely at the arab spring, at how the protestors were using the internet and cellphones.  As a result, good ol' unka sam created 'kill switches' for the internet lest something similar happen here.

No.  We are not the federal government.  We are, in unka sam's eyes, the enemy.  That's his choice and he's quite insistent upon that relationship.  We are cattle to be owned and used by Unka sam for unka sam's purposes.  If we get too uppity, he'll hesitate not a moment to slaughter as many of us as necessary to teach the others a lesson.

I know you dislike when I speak this way but... it's the truth.  I can provide you report after report after report demonstrating the validity of my opinion.

All of this is not to say there are no worse governments on earth, we all know there are.  Far, far worse.  It's just that the betrayal unka sam has engaged in makes me irritable and resentful.  We're supposed to be the good guys.  I want my country to be the good guys.

In fact, I require it.

Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken

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Wow.

You are so wrong about government.

People rule.  
It’s a fact:  Hong Kong, recently proved it.

Egyptians put the Muslim Brotherhood in power and then took them out.  You wonder as I did perhaps how they could possibly trust the military.  It was not a military coup, it was the people asking their brothers, uncles, fathers, and sons to help them get rid of a tyrant.  They all agreed that Mubarak was good his first ten years, but in his last twenty years, he did nothing to meet the country’s needs, so they didn’t want him back.  Sisi has been good for the country, so far.  Tourism began again last season which had abruptly ended in 2011, devastating the country’s economy for all the years since, making everyone aware of just how dependent they were on it.  Those guys riding camels into the protesting crowds knew.

Not sure we see our military as family since the draft ended.

Each time the popular vote isn’t confirmed by the electoral college or the US Supreme Court we get closer to the change that’s needed to make the Presidency, one of our three branches of government, the people’s choice, instead of it being twice removed from the people by the states through the electoral college.  The states control Congress:  that’s their branch and it’s enough.

The deep state concerns you have are valid, but can be dealt with by a little revolution every four to eight years.

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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Date Posted：08/27/2019 12:38 AMCopy HTML In such a roundabout way, I’ve been saying this for many years, but never clearly or within doable methods, without contradictions. What goes around, comes around.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：Wherever the States go, the Federal government follows.... Date Posted：08/27/2019 12:46 AMCopy HTML What goes around, comes around.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：Wherever the States go, the Federal government follows.... Date Posted：08/29/2019 2:17 AMCopy HTML None of those programs have been successful. They've harmed a lot of people to help a few. Truman was mistaken. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：Wherever the States go, the Federal government follows.... Date Posted：09/01/2019 6:03 PMCopy HTML How have those programs harmed anyone?
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：Wherever the States go, the Federal government follows.... Date Posted：09/06/2019 2:37 AMCopy HTML Seriously? We've covered this ground many times. Shall we have another go? :-) Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：Wherever the States go, the Federal government follows.... Date Posted：09/13/2019 5:41 PMCopy HTML https://www.conservativereview.com/news/guns-ammo-tactical-gear-oh-heres-much-firepower-swamp-agencies-stockpiled/ The federal government is primarily concerned with the preservation of the federal government. It's quite willing and prepared to murder people to accomplish that goal. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：Wherever the States go, the Federal government follows.... Date Posted：10/01/2019 7:53 AMCopy HTML We are the federal government and we are expected to protect ourselves, as usual. The police cannot be everywhere and we can’t individually hire body guards; neither can federal offices. People bombed recruitment stations during Vietnam. Recently, white police officers have been shot. Threats against the feds aren’t always idle. Suppressing them doesn’t always make the news. The government like most entities, is very interested in self preservation. Its non elected members are there long after duly elected depart. However they are just doing their jobs. The programs which privilege segments of the population are divisive and created by the duly elected because of citizen demands. So, what we shout about in sufficient numbers causes the problems. Our failure to think things through causes the trouble we experience in the form of unintended consequences. Everyone else is just doing their jobs. White guilt ..... White Guilt: How Blacks and Whites Together Destroyed the Promise of the Civil Rights Era White Guilt (book).jpg Author Shelby Steele HarperCollins Publication date 2006 Pages 181 “Roger Clegg describes White Guilt as an essay arguing that white Americans acknowledged the injustice of the country's racism in the 1960s to admit the error of their racist ways, an admission that left the United States without an acknowledged source of moral authority, replacing old attitudes with a new and deeply felt sense of guilt. Americans moved to atone for their racist past by enacting President Johnson's Great Society, followed by affirmative action and the celebration of diversity. Steele argues that the results were a disaster for black Americans, not only failing to produce racial equality, but requiring blacks to be grateful to the white bureaucrats who now controlled their lives.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：Wherever the States go, the Federal government follows.... Date Posted：10/18/2019 5:01 AMCopy HTML We are not the federal government. I'd thank you not to insult us like that again. The federal government must collapse. There is no other way out of this mess that I can see or have heard of. Perhaps you have some ideas? The debt cannot be repaid. The federal government refuses to reduce spending. It occupies the entire damned world with over 800 military bases. It is far, far easier to count the days we have not been waging war somewhere than it is to count the days we have. It operates a surveylence state that stalin and mao would be envious of... and all the super snoopy scopes are pointed at Americans. How violent unka sam will get in his death throws, I cannot guess. Given how violent a piece of shit he is abroad, given the slaughter and evil he has committed domestically... it's anyone's guess. The soldiers of the former USSR refused to fire upon their own countrymen and that gives me some hope. However, Unka sam seems to be trying to prevent a repeat of that event; thus the 'zombie apocalypse' and urban warfare training they've been putting our troops through lately. Unka sam also looked closely at the arab spring, at how the protestors were using the internet and cellphones. As a result, good ol' unka sam created 'kill switches' for the internet lest something similar happen here. No. We are not the federal government. We are, in unka sam's eyes, the enemy. That's his choice and he's quite insistent upon that relationship. We are cattle to be owned and used by Unka sam for unka sam's purposes. If we get too uppity, he'll hesitate not a moment to slaughter as many of us as necessary to teach the others a lesson. I know you dislike when I speak this way but... it's the truth. I can provide you report after report after report demonstrating the validity of my opinion. All of this is not to say there are no worse governments on earth, we all know there are. Far, far worse. It's just that the betrayal unka sam has engaged in makes me irritable and resentful. We're supposed to be the good guys. I want my country to be the good guys. In fact, I require it. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：Wherever the States go, the Federal government follows.... Date Posted：11/28/2019 11:45 PMCopy HTML Wow. You are so wrong about government. People rule. It’s a fact: Hong Kong, recently proved it. Egyptians put the Muslim Brotherhood in power and then took them out. You wonder as I did perhaps how they could possibly trust the military. It was not a military coup, it was the people asking their brothers, uncles, fathers, and sons to help them get rid of a tyrant. They all agreed that Mubarak was good his first ten years, but in his last twenty years, he did nothing to meet the country’s needs, so they didn’t want him back. Sisi has been good for the country, so far. Tourism began again last season which had abruptly ended in 2011, devastating the country’s economy for all the years since, making everyone aware of just how dependent they were on it. Those guys riding camels into the protesting crowds knew. Not sure we see our military as family since the draft ended. Each time the popular vote isn’t confirmed by the electoral college or the US Supreme Court we get closer to the change that’s needed to make the Presidency, one of our three branches of government, the people’s choice, instead of it being twice removed from the people by the states through the electoral college. The states control Congress: that’s their branch and it’s enough. The deep state concerns you have are valid, but can be dealt with by a little revolution every four to eight years.