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JULY 15, 2019 By Madeline Osburn

Women from across the country, representing all 50 states, traveled to the nation’s capital last Monday to spend the week meeting with legislators to discuss firearms, self-defense, and cumbersome gun control laws.

The initiative, known as The DC Project, is a nonpartisan, grassroots movement that organizes women to share with lawmakers why they choose to own and carry firearms. Ages ranged from 11 to 76, and included students, moms, competitive shooters, and victims of assault.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/07/15/women-50-states-gather-dc-advocate-gun-rights/

.............

Their reasons probably come as no surprise.

If more women were armed and dangerous, I suppose the abuse and number of rapes would decline, kind of like crimes on the subway after a citizen protected himself with a gun.

What goes around, comes around.

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I'm generally in favor of people carrying firearms, if they choose to do so and simultaneously possess an IQ higher than that of a turnip.  However, there is something that few, if any, fire arms instructors address and I've never seen it discussed in firearms forums so I'll talk about it here.

If you shoot someone, you're going to jail.  You'll be booked into jail and a judge, disinterested and grumpy and possibly possessed by leftist ideology, will look at you, your charge, which will be murder, manslaughter, misconduct involving weapons and/or similar.  The judge maybe even listen to you... but not necessarily... and decide your conditions of release.

That means you may, probably, not get out.  S/he may assign release conditions you cannot meet;  excessive bail.  Could be $50 could be $5 million.  You will be finger printed.  You will be photographed.  You will be strip searched and your property taken into storage.  You'll be given a prison uniform and put into an intake mod consisting of various unsavory individuals in various states of health and sobriety.

The legal battle you will face will bankrupt you and it will last a very long time.  You'll lose your job.  You may lose your home, if you're the primary bread winner.  You may lose your family, as spouses can react unpredictably and sometimes even coldly rationally;  you're going down and they don't want to go down with you.  It happens.

All that can and probably will happen.

All of that should be in your head at all times when you carry a firearm so that if you make the decision someone has to be shot, you can articulate in your mind, clearly and rationally, the following question.

Is what is happening, or about to happen, so bad that you are willing to endure everything I described above to stop it or keep it from happening?

If your answer is yes, then shoot.  Two to the chest and one to the head.

Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken

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I’m fine with all the scary consequences, but the advice: two to the chest and one to the head is not what a prudent, reasonable person does.  Excessive force comes to mind.....

Even in a life threatening situation, incapacity should be the goal.  Wounding, not killing.  Taking a life, forever and always alters who you are, doesn’t really matter what courts do to you.  You’ll deserve it.

Life is sacred.

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Life clearly isn't sacred or we wouldn't tolerate taxpayer funded abortion.

After reading what will happen to you if you decide to shoot someone, if you still think it's a trivial matter then you're not thinking properly.  Your life is literally on the line in that moment and for the foreseeable future.

You're going to have enough on your plate defending yourself from the wrath of the government without also having to defend yourself from the attacks and rationalizations of the person whose actions required you to shoot them.

In short, the decision to pull a trigger is the same as the decision to kill someone.  Don't get yourself killed by trying to 'shoot the leg' or some other such Hollywood nonsense.

Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken

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Isn’t one bullet enough if it hits the target.  Why does the person have to die?

Life is sacred.  Taking a life, while I’ve never, I cannot imagine being the same, leading the same life.  

The lady across the street from me while driving her school bus killed two elderly people who failed to observe the stop sign at the intersection.  I hugged her when she got home after such a tragic event, but she didn’t think of it that way at all.  They should not have been on the road risking the lives of others.  True, around here you look for white hair at the wheel and drive accordingly.  The state tried to put an age limit of 70 years on drivers, but it failed.  Built for vehicles, seniors have no choice when it comes to doctors and groceries, but to drive because transit takes the money they need for medication.  I don’t know how seniors can plan for such events when transit has to pay for itself in their cold blooded community.  Many had to stop going to meals at the community center.  Some lost their homes with market value assessments before circuit breaker kicked in for others.  Rent was reasonable here  until HUD 
programs raised it beyond all reason.  Social security is taxed and Medicare is deducted from it, but it’s under continuous attack anyway, even though workers were forced to pay it, even though some never collect it.  Congress didn’t want to increase taxes, so they borrowed from it and would like to just forgive themselves the debt.......after all the legislators there now weren’t the ones who created it or the ones who borrowed from it.

Yeah, government is the bigger life threat for baby boomers.

We did eventually get a transit system for the able and provide door to door for the others with very specific health related destinations.

Rich people don’t have any concerns unless their portfolio fails them.

Guns for women shouldn’t require a rights discussion or demonstration. It’s nice that they seek training, but shoot to kill, two the chest and one to the head is soldier and enemy outside the country Hollywood, not on the homefront, struggling with poverty, criminals, the homeless, gangs and teen pranks.  In the courtroom it all looks different, and what a reasonable person would do matters.

I’m rethinking the military experience and knowledge of the instructor.  Are they clear about the difference between citizens and their enemies who are also citizens.

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I understand what you're saying and it's valid however it increases your risk without any benefit that I can see.

Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken

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Thanks for your concern.

I don’t know how I’ll react, really.  I just know some things are difficult to live with, and I’m guessing “thou shalt not kill” is deeply embedded.

Never point a gun unless you’re going to shoot, so there’s that without hesitation.

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A gun is a very complicated way to throw a rock really hard.

I’m of the opinion that if I decide to shoot someone, that decision is synonymous with deciding to kill that person.

This isn’t a light decision, what I outlined previously is true, as near as I can’t tell.  

I just believe in calling a spade, a spade.  Killing someone, regardless of the tool, is gonna fuck up your life.

Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken

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Not particularly relevant but it has to go somewhere;

I was passing this spot just after lunch.  Spot taped off by 
police, not even pedestrians squeeze by.  Must be serious.  A quick 
check on the local news;

metro.co.uk/2019/09/08/hunt-south-london-killer-shot-man-dead-broad-daylight-10707237/
8 Sep 2019

Man dies after ‘accidentally shooting himself while trying to gun target down’

............Police
 were called to Sydenham Road at around 3.45pm after reports of 
suspicious activity in the area. Shots were then heard before a man, 
believed to be in his 20s, was found with gunshot wounds in the busy 
south London area. He died at the scene just five minutes later. One 
woman, 56, living on nearby Venner Road described seeing the man attempt
 to shoot someone else before being hit by the bullet himself.  

She
 said: ‘He ended up shooting himself. The bullet bounced off a car 
window. You can see on the car window where the bullet bounced off it. 
‘After it happened, the boy he [tried] to shoot stood there filming 
him.’.........

Some stuff you just cannot make up!

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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Date Posted：07/30/2019 7:10 PMCopy HTML JULY 15, 2019 By Madeline Osburn Women from across the country, representing all 50 states, traveled to the nation’s capital last Monday to spend the week meeting with legislators to discuss firearms, self-defense, and cumbersome gun control laws. The initiative, known as The DC Project, is a nonpartisan, grassroots movement that organizes women to share with lawmakers why they choose to own and carry firearms. Ages ranged from 11 to 76, and included students, moms, competitive shooters, and victims of assault. https://thefederalist.com/2019/07/15/women-50-states-gather-dc-advocate-gun-rights/ ............. Their reasons probably come as no surprise. If more women were armed and dangerous, I suppose the abuse and number of rapes would decline, kind of like crimes on the subway after a citizen protected himself with a gun. What goes around, comes around.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：Women and Gun Rights Date Posted：08/01/2019 4:18 AMCopy HTML I'm generally in favor of people carrying firearms, if they choose to do so and simultaneously possess an IQ higher than that of a turnip. However, there is something that few, if any, fire arms instructors address and I've never seen it discussed in firearms forums so I'll talk about it here. If you shoot someone, you're going to jail. You'll be booked into jail and a judge, disinterested and grumpy and possibly possessed by leftist ideology, will look at you, your charge, which will be murder, manslaughter, misconduct involving weapons and/or similar. The judge maybe even listen to you... but not necessarily... and decide your conditions of release. That means you may, probably, not get out. S/he may assign release conditions you cannot meet; excessive bail. Could be $50 could be $5 million. You will be finger printed. You will be photographed. You will be strip searched and your property taken into storage. You'll be given a prison uniform and put into an intake mod consisting of various unsavory individuals in various states of health and sobriety. The legal battle you will face will bankrupt you and it will last a very long time. You'll lose your job. You may lose your home, if you're the primary bread winner. You may lose your family, as spouses can react unpredictably and sometimes even coldly rationally; you're going down and they don't want to go down with you. It happens. All that can and probably will happen. All of that should be in your head at all times when you carry a firearm so that if you make the decision someone has to be shot, you can articulate in your mind, clearly and rationally, the following question. Is what is happening, or about to happen, so bad that you are willing to endure everything I described above to stop it or keep it from happening? If your answer is yes, then shoot. Two to the chest and one to the head. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：Women and Gun Rights Date Posted：08/02/2019 8:02 PMCopy HTML I’m fine with all the scary consequences, but the advice: two to the chest and one to the head is not what a prudent, reasonable person does. Excessive force comes to mind..... Even in a life threatening situation, incapacity should be the goal. Wounding, not killing. Taking a life, forever and always alters who you are, doesn’t really matter what courts do to you. You’ll deserve it. Life is sacred.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：Women and Gun Rights Date Posted：08/05/2019 5:01 PMCopy HTML Life clearly isn't sacred or we wouldn't tolerate taxpayer funded abortion. After reading what will happen to you if you decide to shoot someone, if you still think it's a trivial matter then you're not thinking properly. Your life is literally on the line in that moment and for the foreseeable future. You're going to have enough on your plate defending yourself from the wrath of the government without also having to defend yourself from the attacks and rationalizations of the person whose actions required you to shoot them. In short, the decision to pull a trigger is the same as the decision to kill someone. Don't get yourself killed by trying to 'shoot the leg' or some other such Hollywood nonsense. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：Women and Gun Rights Date Posted：08/07/2019 1:04 AMCopy HTML Isn’t one bullet enough if it hits the target. Why does the person have to die? Life is sacred. Taking a life, while I’ve never, I cannot imagine being the same, leading the same life. The lady across the street from me while driving her school bus killed two elderly people who failed to observe the stop sign at the intersection. I hugged her when she got home after such a tragic event, but she didn’t think of it that way at all. They should not have been on the road risking the lives of others. True, around here you look for white hair at the wheel and drive accordingly. The state tried to put an age limit of 70 years on drivers, but it failed. Built for vehicles, seniors have no choice when it comes to doctors and groceries, but to drive because transit takes the money they need for medication. I don’t know how seniors can plan for such events when transit has to pay for itself in their cold blooded community. Many had to stop going to meals at the community center. Some lost their homes with market value assessments before circuit breaker kicked in for others. Rent was reasonable here until HUD programs raised it beyond all reason. Social security is taxed and Medicare is deducted from it, but it’s under continuous attack anyway, even though workers were forced to pay it, even though some never collect it. Congress didn’t want to increase taxes, so they borrowed from it and would like to just forgive themselves the debt.......after all the legislators there now weren’t the ones who created it or the ones who borrowed from it. Yeah, government is the bigger life threat for baby boomers. We did eventually get a transit system for the able and provide door to door for the others with very specific health related destinations. Rich people don’t have any concerns unless their portfolio fails them. Guns for women shouldn’t require a rights discussion or demonstration. It’s nice that they seek training, but shoot to kill, two the chest and one to the head is soldier and enemy outside the country Hollywood, not on the homefront, struggling with poverty, criminals, the homeless, gangs and teen pranks. In the courtroom it all looks different, and what a reasonable person would do matters. I’m rethinking the military experience and knowledge of the instructor. Are they clear about the difference between citizens and their enemies who are also citizens.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：Women and Gun Rights Date Posted：08/08/2019 8:09 AMCopy HTML I understand what you're saying and it's valid however it increases your risk without any benefit that I can see. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：1768 Posts：1528 From：USA Register：12/10/2008 12:41 AM	Re：Women and Gun Rights Date Posted：08/08/2019 10:00 PMCopy HTML Thanks for your concern. I don’t know how I’ll react, really. I just know some things are difficult to live with, and I’m guessing “thou shalt not kill” is deeply embedded. Never point a gun unless you’re going to shoot, so there’s that without hesitation.
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Rank：TAE Member Score：19447 Posts：17177 From：USA Register：12/03/2008 3:25 AM	Re：Women and Gun Rights Date Posted：08/11/2019 4:33 AMCopy HTML A gun is a very complicated way to throw a rock really hard. I’m of the opinion that if I decide to shoot someone, that decision is synonymous with deciding to kill that person. This isn’t a light decision, what I outlined previously is true, as near as I can’t tell. I just believe in calling a spade, a spade. Killing someone, regardless of the tool, is gonna fuck up your life. Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.” ― H.L. Mencken
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Rank：TAE Member Score：3625 Posts：3475 From：United Kingdom Register：12/04/2008 10:50 PM	Re：Women and Gun Rights Date Posted：09/09/2019 7:40 PMCopy HTML Not particularly relevant but it has to go somewhere; I was passing this spot just after lunch. Spot taped off by police, not even pedestrians squeeze by. Must be serious. A quick check on the local news; metro.co.uk/2019/09/08/hunt-south-london-killer-shot-man-dead-broad-daylight-10707237/ 8 Sep 2019 Man dies after ‘accidentally shooting himself while trying to gun target down’ ............Police were called to Sydenham Road at around 3.45pm after reports of suspicious activity in the area. Shots were then heard before a man, believed to be in his 20s, was found with gunshot wounds in the busy south London area. He died at the scene just five minutes later. One woman, 56, living on nearby Venner Road described seeing the man attempt to shoot someone else before being hit by the bullet himself. She said: ‘He ended up shooting himself. The bullet bounced off a car window. You can see on the car window where the bullet bounced off it. ‘After it happened, the boy he [tried] to shoot stood there filming him.’......... Some stuff you just cannot make up!