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Date Posted:05/26/2010 4:01 PMCopy HTML AMERICA'S NATIONAL DEBT
TOPS $13,000,000,000,000; DEBT PER TAXPAYER - $117,975; US DEBT TO GDP RATIO - 90.3% None of that includes unfunded liabilities, promises the federal government has made, in the form of social security, medicare and obamacare... among others, I'm sure. Last figure I saw which included those was months ago; -$107,000,000,000,000. Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
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codify | Share to: #151 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/13/2010 2:05 PMCopy HTML nff
I guess if you believe that to be true, its true. I believe Obama has horns coming out of his head. So he has horns. I can write fiction too. |
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alaskaone | Share to: #152 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/13/2010 2:14 PMCopy HTML Reply to nofencesfacing (06/13/2010 4:37 AM) Obama/pelosi/reidcare. Perhaps you've heard of it?alaskaone Show us an entitlement program the Obama created that is part of the $13 trillion you are taking about. It is not there. I have shown all the debt is on Bush. An entitlement program creates a liability... usually unfunded. As a future, unfunded liability, obamapelosireidcare would not be found in the current national debt, now would it? Instead it would be found in the future, unfunded liability catagory, now wouldn't it? Why you choose to play these games, I have no idea... but then I have no idea why anyone would follow keynesianism, either. At this moment, the national debt clock shows future unfunded liabilities to be roughly -$109.097 trillion dollars. I do not know if this figure includes the estimated costs of obama/pelosi/reidcare because no one seems to know what those costs will be due to the obtuse, snake oil, pig-in-a-poke nature of obamapelosireidcare. Oh, and btw, the debt clock shows the current figure to have increased to -$13,078,598,000,000 Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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nofencesfacing | Share to: #153 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/13/2010 4:13 PMCopy HTML alaskaone It is not a game. When do we start solving problems around here? Letting mass murders go, starting wars for no reason, unfunded welfare Rx programs and transferring the nation’s wealth to the rich is not my idea of solving problem. Start attacking the Republicans for screwing things up. Stop complaining it costs so much to repair the damage the Republicans did to us. We knew the cost would be great when
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alaskaone | Share to: #154 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/14/2010 4:00 AMCopy HTML -$13,081,100,000,000.00 national debt
-$109,105,000,000,000.00 in future unfunded liabilities. NFF, if you have information or links disputing the accuracy of the debt clock or the accuracy of the national debt over time, do please enlighten us. You've been espousing opinions and pretending they are facts and that's fine but don't expect me to address them in any serious fashion any longer. Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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nofencesfacing | Share to: #155 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/14/2010 5:18 AMCopy HTML You know the national debt is more than $13 trillion. We promised the boomers more than that in Social Security benefits. |
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alaskaone | Share to: #156 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/14/2010 5:21 AMCopy HTML Yes, those promises among others are included in the "future, unfunded liabilities" figure.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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lillia3 | Share to: #157 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/14/2010 5:57 AMCopy HTML To be Irish is to know that in the end the world will break your heart.
DANIEL PATRICK MOYNIHAN
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alaskaone | Share to: #158 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/14/2010 6:46 AMCopy HTML Thank you, Lila. That is the same place the link in the o.p. goes to. Have you heard any reason to believe it's inaccurate?
-$13,081,580,000,000.00 national debt -$109,107,000,000,000.00 in future unfunded liabilities. The future, unfunded liability figure doesn't appear to include the future costs of obamapelosireidcare. Ah, here I've found an article about the effects of obamapelosireidcare on the federal budget; http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OGZkOTQzOWEwNTVlMDNhMDliZTE2ZTQ0NzUxNjM0Y2U= Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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lillia3 | Share to: #159 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/14/2010 7:03 AMCopy HTML alaskaone,sorry I didn't know your link went to the same site.as far as I know it's very accurate, To be Irish is to know that in the end the world will break your heart.
DANIEL PATRICK MOYNIHAN
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alaskaone | Share to: #160 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/14/2010 8:30 AMCopy HTML Earlier, for grins, i figured out how many Hyundai Accents the national debt would buy... the base model accent costs $9,970.
$13.082 trillion dollars will buy 1.313 billion Hyundai Accents... assuming we don't get a discount for buying in bulk. Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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alaskaone | Share to: #161 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/15/2010 3:18 AMCopy HTML -$13,085,580,000,000.00 national debt
-$109,119,000,000,000.00 in future unfunded liabilities. http://article.nationalreview.com/436123/the-other-national-debt/kevin-williamson Social Security in the Hole - John Steele Gordon, Contentions Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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alaskaone | Share to: #162 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/16/2010 6:13 AMCopy HTML -$13,090,160,000,000.00 national debt
-$109,134,000,000,000.00 in future unfunded liabilities. Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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alaskaone | Share to: #163 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/17/2010 3:20 AMCopy HTML - $13,094,002,000,000.00 national debt
-$109,146,652,000,000.00 in future unfunded liabilities. Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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StingFan | Share to: #164 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/17/2010 3:40 AMCopy HTML Reply to alaskaone (06/16/2010 9:20 PM) - $13,094,002,000,000.00 national debt -$109,146,652,000,000.00 in future unfunded liabilities. June 11, 2009: "No matter how we reform health care, I intend to keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor; if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan." Barack Obama.
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alaskaone | Share to: #165 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/17/2010 3:45 AMCopy HTML This thread was started on May 26th, roughly about the time the national debt busted through $13 trillion.
Some time tomorrow, it will bust through $13.1 trillion. We will have added 100 billion dollars to the debt in only 22 days. Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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changospirit | Share to: #166 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/17/2010 6:42 AMCopy HTML Reply to alaskaone (05/26/2010 10:01 AM) AMERICA'S NATIONAL DEBT TOPS $13,000,000,000,000; DEBT PER TAXPAYER - $117,975; US DEBT TO GDP RATIO - 90.3% None of that includes unfunded liabilities, promises the federal government has made, in the form of social security, medicare and obamacare... among others, I'm sure. Last figure I saw which included those was months ago; -$107,000,000,000,000. THE WASTE IS OBSCENE |
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alaskaone | Share to: #167 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/17/2010 9:44 PMCopy HTML Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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bigsnowbird | Share to: #168 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/18/2010 2:00 AMCopy HTML Reply to nofencesfacing (06/13/2010 11:13 AM)
alaskaone It is not a game. When do we start solving problems around here? Letting mass murders go, starting wars for no reason, unfunded welfare Rx programs and transferring the nation’s wealth to the rich is not my idea of solving problem. Start attacking the Republicans for screwing things up. Stop complaining it costs so much to repair the damage the Republicans did to us. We knew the cost would be great when You had better go back and do some research. Before Bush left office he was responsible for $800 billion of the debt, not trillion. Of that $500 billion was repaid to the Treasury. Guess what Obama spent it. Thats a fact. WHEN GOD MADE
ME HE WAS JUST
SHOWING OFF.
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alaskaone | Share to: #169 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/18/2010 6:27 AMCopy HTML In a few minutes, the national debt will break through $13.1 trillion dollars... an increase of $100 billion in only 22 days.
Good night. Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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changospirit | Share to: #170 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/18/2010 7:50 AMCopy HTML KEEP AN EYE ON THE MALE FIGURE THIS IS 1 TRILLION DOLLARS |
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alaskaone | Share to: #171 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/18/2010 4:00 PMCopy HTML - $13,100,001,000,000.00 national debt
-$109,186,080,000,000.00 in future unfunded liabilities. - $122,286,081,000,000.00 total That is $122.3 trillion in debt and unfunded liaiblities. Are we done fucking our children yet? Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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codify | Share to: #172 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/18/2010 4:07 PMCopy HTML Not bad. Surely we can spend more of our future generations money somehow.
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alaskaone | Share to: #173 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/18/2010 4:42 PMCopy HTML Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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Ex_Member | Share to: #174 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/18/2010 6:42 PMCopy HTML What's it up to now, Alaska? |
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Punkoidragon | Share to: #175 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/18/2010 10:22 PMCopy HTML why can't they just print a One-Trillion dollar bill?
print like 10,000 of em then we can pay it off and each of us can get 10 billion dollars. Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.
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nofencesfacing | Share to: #176 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/19/2010 3:21 AMCopy HTML alaskaone That cartoon was very funny. I did like your story even more of how the outrages spending of WWII do not get us out of the depression because some people thought the depression would return after the war. But those people were wrong. |
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nofencesfacing | Share to: #177 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/19/2010 3:23 AMCopy HTML bigsnowbird That even beat what Face it we can no longer afford Republicans. |
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alaskaone | Share to: #178 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/19/2010 5:33 PMCopy HTML - $13,105,273,000,000.00 national debt
-$109,183,068,000,000.00 in future unfunded liabilities. Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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Doe_Eyes | Share to: #179 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/21/2010 4:57 PMCopy HTML Lest we forget this very important issue and where it really came from.....
Chris Wallace asked Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell whether "some Democrats are getting religion when it comes to the deficit." Wallace made no mention of Republicans "getting religion" on the deficit, even though "virtually the entire deficit over the next ten years" is due to policies implemented under President Bush or to the recession, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. Wallace asks whether Dems are "getting religion when it comes to the deficit"From the June 20 edition of Fox Broadcasting Co.'s Fox News Sunday:
CBPP: "[V]irtually the entire deficit over the next ten years" due to Bush policies, economic downturnCBPP: "[T]he tax cuts enacted under President George W. Bush, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and the economic downturn together explain virtually the entire deficit over the next ten years." In a December 16, 2009, analysis of federal deficits -- which was revised on February 17 -- the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP) stated:
CBPP included the following chart illustrating various factors' relative effects on current and projected deficits:
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alaskaone | Share to: #180 |
Re:-$124 trillion in debt/liabilities and growing fast Date Posted:06/22/2010 2:09 AMCopy HTML We've maintained throughout this thread that both parties are irresponsible and wasteful. It may be more irritating that republicans campaign upon promises to reduce spending then do the opposite however they're hardly alone in such shenanigans.
Blaming too much spending on tax cuts is, in my opinion, illogical. Every dollar that goes into the federal government is a dollar taken out of the mouths of the living and out of the mouths of those not yet born. You are quite right, though. We cannot afford any more republicrats in any office, anywhere. - $13,115,526,000,000.00 national debt -$109,217,000,000,000.00 in future unfunded liabilities. Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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