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Date Posted：01/19/2015 4:41 AMCopy HTML Looking at the nations of Europe, it doesn't appear so. Yet in the US, we've not experienced what is happening in the EU.
For the last 50 years or so, the European nations have had an 'open arms' approach to immigration mostly, I speculate, because their welfare programs are so burdensome that they had no other choice. Working people were overwhelmed by those 'on the dole'. Unfortunately, unlike in America, the new citizens didn't turn out to be industrious but instead went 'on the dole' themselves. Germany, for example, experienced this: "in the early 1970s, 2 million of the 3 million foreigners in Germany were in the labor force; by the turn of this century, 2 million of 7.5 million were." http://www.wsj.com/articles/europe-immigration-and-islam-europes-crisis-of-faith-1421450060 Some have speculated the clashes between islam and western people don't start occurring until the percentages reach a certain ratio... in other words, the numbers of adherents become sufficient to be a viable force within a nation. Is there anything about islam that isn't anathema to western society, values and ethics? All I know of the religion is just what I see; women abused, homosexuals murdered, stupid rituals and a penchant toward authoritarianism. Is there anything redeeming about this cult? Come to the Dark Side.
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Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：05/08/2019 11:39 PMCopy HTML Thanks, that’s a crystal clear reply.
It’s the pattern that cost India 80 million lives which Punkoidragon pointed out years ago, and not believing I researched and found the population decline from Muslims reaching that critical mass.
Though Hindus consistently oppose Muslims, building temples for mosques even here in the United States, the fact that the most popular of Bollywood heroes in India which has suffered the most are depictions of Muslim conquerors.
So, the answer is no, we can coexist only until critical mass and then it’s convert to Islam or die. Once a Muslim, always a Muslim, or die an apostate.
Something wicked this way comes......and we gave them the money for oil to do it.
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Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：05/09/2019 2:18 AMCopy HTML I think that is the case. It appears to be the case. Unlike in the EU, however, America has a few barriors in place to keep religion and government separated... at least, officially. We're seeing in Minnesota that it's possible to get around the restriction when sufficient population is reached to democratically elect officials who unofficially begin imposing religiously based laws and regulations and also place adherants into law enforcement where they fail to do their duty in such a way as to support the take over of civil authority by the theocracy. I don't think it is a coincidence that this REPORT: Muslim Cop Who Shot Unarmed Woman Was 'Diversity ...happened in Minneapolis, Minnisota. Ilhan Omar's Minnesota Congressional District Is The Terror ...I haven't dug deep but are you willing to lay odds that the Omar's district contains within it the police dept. that hired Mohamed Noor? Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：05/09/2019 2:23 AMCopy HTML Yup. It's true. Omar's district contains the police dept that hired Noor. It gets better. "Although several Minneapolis police officers testified at Noor's trial, prosecutors said 20 of them refused to talk until subpoenas forced them to." ... "Longtime prosecutor Steve Schleicher said disagreements between the county attorney's office and police during a case are common, but those disputes are often kept private. He said the apparent lack of cooperation from officers with prosecutors in this case is unusual. "I've never seen that happen before," Schleicher said. "I've never had a situation where a police officer wasn't willing to come in and discuss the case." https://kstp.com/news/mohamed-noor-trial-differences-police-prosecutors/5337364/?cat=13406 It's been difficult to find out how many officers there are in Minneapolis. This is the best I found... Of the 807 officers and cadets in field training currently on the force, 78.9 percent are white, 9.2 percent are black, 5.2 percent are Asian, 4.1 percent are Hispanic and 2.5 percent are American Indian. Women made up 15 percent of the police force in 2013, down from 16.4 percent in 2003 The City Council has authorized the department to hire enough officers to raise the department to 860 officers; it’s currently near 770 officers on the street, one of the lowest numbers in 25 years. The city has 1.9 officers per 1,000 residents, a ratio that puts it below St. Paul and many other Midwestern cities. So... 20 officers refused to testify in the trial unless forced to. As far as I know, there is no information about how many officers are muslim. No information about the religion or race the twenty officers are composed of. Want to hazard a guess? Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：05/19/2019 7:55 PMCopy HTML I’m sure there was a voluntary ethnic origin box on their application, but religion is not an allowed question. Separation of Church and State has a loophole for the country to be taken over by Islam, and freedom of speech let’s them preach, convert others to their ideas.
We are left with criminal law to defend us, but the discretion of prosecutors and judges, if Islamic, can easily circumvent and in essence replace it with Sharia, unwritten, at first.
The will of the people is fickle enough to let it happen. The only thing between any of us and tyranny is a lawyer, and if he’s Muslim, Sharia rules.
Explain why our culture doesn’t charm the socks off them, instead?
Even if it did, they’d be declared apostates, and every Muslim would have an obligation to end their lives.
It doesn’t make sense, and yet, makes perfect sense.
The best we’ve got is Shia vs Sunni issues, and maybe plots to take over the government, traitors, etc., without defeating our Constitutional freedom of speech and religion. A few high profile cases might slow down their progress, make them bend the knee to secular as Catholics, Protestants, and Jews have in order to remain solvent. Islam is the only bad cold we have left in that regard. 6% of our population hasn’t been noticed, but of course, 9/11 got our attention and we have a learning curve. It’s kind of the problem with not teaching the basic tenets of world religions in our public schools. Children are only partly prepared for the world they are to face at graduation.
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Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：01/29/2020 4:03 AMCopy HTML So, here's a thing that has just come to my attention. Muslim men, as you've probably heard, can have up to 4 wives under sharia law. I've been hearing rumor out of Minneapolis that muslim men are marrying one woman legally and collecting three more under sharia. They then have the three side-bitches sign up for welfare benefits as single mothers. Those benefits then, of course, go to the 'household'. A little dubious, I looked into it. So far as I know, there is no system in place to identify this sort of shenanigans. Snopes did a piece about Michigan, and did a lot of dancing about but eventually admitted this: "Although a Muslim man (or any other man) might live in a polygamous relationship after taking up residency in Michigan, he may only legally claim one wife as his own — he cannot simply list additional (not legally recognized) wives as members of an “extended household” and claim public assistance benefits for them on that basis. Those other “wives” would have to qualify for immigration/residency status (if they were immigrants to the U.S.) and apply for public assistance benefits on their own (as single mothers or heads of households), independent of their status as “unofficial” wives or household members of someone already residing in Michigan." https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/muslim-men-can-4-wives-welfare-michigan/ It appears to be the case that islam, as a religion, is attempting a hostile takeover of not only Europe but also north america. They do this by out breeding the locals and using the locals resources to strengthen themselves while weakening their host.
Come to the Dark Side.
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The advantage of insinuations over hard arguments is that they bypass critical thought. No one can respond precisely to a charge that is utterly vague or to accusers who will envelope any reply in a poisonous fog of further insinuations. ~ David Warren, The Guardian
There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
― H.L. Mencken
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Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：03/10/2020 3:16 AMCopy HTML Mormons have been accumulating wealth by marrying one after another with no numerical limit, and the number of children with each is five before the pressure is off. They’re not as open about it, given the law and public opinion, but it’s still happening.
There’s also a Catholic sect that believes in polygamy that moved to a corner of Utah for whatever reason.
Welfare reform may stop the abuse of our system, at least it’s limited to two years, now, instead of life, and generations of people who know no other life than that of welfare recipients.
It’s a free country, or isn’t it?
It’s a Muslim invasion strategy. Hasn’t worked in America yet, but that doesn’t mean it won’t at some point. Michigan is a good place to start, especially Detroit, plenty of dissatisfaction there to comfort and sway over to Islam. They’ve had a great deal of success with angry African Americans.
I greatly admire the Egyptians who recognized the Muslim Brotherhood for what it was and asked their military to help rid the country of those who had risen to power. I’m not sure we’ll recognize them in time and it’s doubtful that we’d ask our military. We don’t think of them as our fathers, uncles, and brothers as the Egyptians do. Maybe we did back when there was a Draft instead of just Registration.
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Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：04/12/2020 5:41 AMCopy HTML when you think of moslims do you think of belly dancing? it is part of the culture of two moslim nations. there is a nurse here. because of her accent, i know she wasn't born here. i thought she was a swede. the are lots of those types here in MN. she was a muslims from bosina. if you came here. you wouldn't be able to tell the muslims from the non-muslims.
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Re：can islam and western cultures co-exist? Date Posted：04/24/2020 12:49 AMCopy HTML Sweetheart, I can’t tell an American from anyone else in the world, I’m always a bit surprised when they speak a foreign language, so comfortably..........Everyone looks American to me. Muslims have always seemed a bit more gracious and soft spoken, but without some outward form of dress, I haven’t got a clue. What goes around, comes around.
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